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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 10:26:05 GMT -5
The Death of Tobacco by Friedonald Pipe smokers and some Cigar smokers are about to be finding it impossible to enjoy a good smoke. www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/2339/textThe above link will detail how you are about to be affected. Let's get to the short of it. Sales to individuals under 21 years of age will be outlawed. Sure, that won't hinder most pipe and cigar Smokers, but let's dig deeper. Additives to flavor cigars will be outlawed. Good buy, Cherry, Vanilla, any flavors including one of my personal favorites Pumpkin Spice. Wait, What, did you just read that? Yeah, you sure did. Acid, the best selling cigar world wide, Lane 1-Q the best selling pipe Tobacco world wide, and more products than I have time to list will be eliminated from sale in the United States. Electronic sales will be outlawed. Brick and Mortar shops will see an increase in business, but your favorite 12 pipe and cigar retailers all have a very good online presence. Think about it, you will no longer be allowed to get any blend or cigar unless you can get it locally. I personally have some sources, but living in the 4th largest American city has still been difficult to get those blends that are not readily available and thus even Voodoo Review has been ordering online for years. Now, for the naysayers, those that believe it will never happen. It has already passed in the House, now it is moving to the Senate. As worded, it is to protect the Youth, this is an election year, and if you think about firearms, the loudest voices, All, scream about protecting the Youth. Suggestion (1) Get in contact with your Senators and make sure to get their attention. Tell everyone you know about this and make sure they also get the word out. Suggestion (2) Cellar as much Tobacco as you can. All those blends you love that are online or flavored. Suggestion (3) Learn to roll or grow and blend your own. Yes, it really looks like it is going to get to that level of difficulty. Is this Doomsday? Well, it very well could be. As always, Long Lives, Big Bowls, and Long Ashes |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 10:52:54 GMT -5
Hmm, supply & demand still a thing? Yes
Tobacco still a plant that grows from the Earth? Yah
The Earth is still here? Far as we know
Is this an overreaction then? Well, I don’t want to be rude, but...
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Post by pepesdad1 on Nov 23, 2019 11:09:38 GMT -5
We have seen numerous legislative actions re: tobacco and taxes...In Florida, buying a pound of tobacco will cost you north of $80.00 compared to $40.00+ online. "Doing this for the children" is a bunch of crap, raising the age to 21 is just as ridiculous as kids will get what they want regardless of any laws...all they are doing is making it harder for legitimate users. This is why we have been telling friends to cellar now as prices are never gonna be cheaper than they are today
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Post by monbla256 on Nov 23, 2019 13:41:05 GMT -5
We are so hypocritical in this country. We try and legislate tobacco use "for children" and now over half of the tobacco grown is for cigs and is EXPORTED to Asia where over 1/2 the population smokes, both adults & children! It's okay to produce a product that negativaly effects others but we are not going to do that to ourselves ! As Bertolt Brecht wrote in 1923, ".... money makes the world go round....." 
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Post by kxg on Nov 23, 2019 14:42:48 GMT -5
Where do you find that the bill has passed the house? As I read the information in your link, the bill is moving from committee to be reported to the house. It seems to have a ways to go. But that doesn’t mean it won’t be a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 14:54:47 GMT -5
Where do you find that the bill has passed the house? As I read the information in your link, the bill is moving from committee to be reported to the house. It seems to have a ways to go. But that doesn’t mean it won’t be a problem. You are correct and the text by “Friedonald” is erroneous. HR 2339 has passed the House Committee by a vote of 28-24. thecigarauthority.com/house-committee-passes-hb-2339-but-was-it-really-a-win/ |
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Post by Spartacus on Nov 23, 2019 19:32:02 GMT -5
Where do you find that the bill has passed the house? As I read the information in your link, the bill is moving from committee to be reported to the house. It seems to have a ways to go. But that doesn’t mean it won’t be a problem. You are correct and the text by “Friedonald” is erroneous. HR 2339 has passed the House Committee by a vote of 28-24. thecigarauthority.com/house-committee-passes-hb-2339-but-was-it-really-a-win/So... it passed the House Committee. It hasn't gone to the House Floor for a vote yet. That could take months if not years. Then it would have to go to the Senate. Which could take a while as well. I think it's probably inevitable that this bill or a bill like it gets passed sometime in the future. But, it won't be anytime in the near future. |
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Post by trailboss on Nov 23, 2019 22:48:01 GMT -5
My takeaway from it all is looking at who supports it. www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/2339/cosponsorsThe OP said: But with the later clarification, it looks like one would do well to contact the house members that come up with this crap, especially if one of these creeps happen to represent your district...better yet if you belong to a pipe club and raise hell with them, the written or typed letter professionally written is the best bang for the buck in allowing your voice to be heard. Political parties that fashion themselves as the new wave of being the self imposed Moral despots that they are, deserve to spend more time with their families and no time imposing their will on smokers. |
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Post by qmechanics on Nov 23, 2019 23:46:00 GMT -5
A party that shall not be named rules the House. It looks like we will have the best chance with the other party, who shall not be named, in the Senate.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 0:27:03 GMT -5
You can not write a email to a representative out of your district the email will be rejected. Tobacco is not going away it can be had at almost every gas station in America. All the new tobacco legislation is nothing more than see I did something BS. The war on tobacco has been lost and a big tobacco won as they still get to sell their wares. Your representative has no interest in speaking or communicating with you unless you can make him or her money and keep them in office. Your efforts would be better severed to purchase tobacco products and cellar them. We live in a time where tobacco is out of favor and given time it will come back in favor but none of us will live to see it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 0:37:18 GMT -5
Republicans decry any regulation no matter how reasonable and Democrats advocate prohibition no matter how unreasonable. This is why the US Congress is the least popular legislative body in the world. Anybody who says ‘the other party is the problem/solution’ is merely an ignorant partisan cheerleader that has offloaded the responsibility to think critically to National Party planners and propagandists and whose sole remaining function in this kakistocratic body politic is as sphincter to pinch the policy loaves of pernicious plutocrats.
Snoogens!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 0:47:02 GMT -5
The last petition I signed yielded no positive results and put me on the email lists of several politicos I had no further interest in hearing from. . .ymmv.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 24, 2019 0:58:13 GMT -5
You can not write a email to a representative out of your district the email will be rejected. Tobacco is not going away it can be had at almost every gas station in America. All the new tobacco legislation is nothing more than see I did something BS. The war on tobacco has been lost and a big tobacco won as they still get to sell their wares. Your representative has no interest in speaking or communicating with you unless you can make him or her money and keep them in office. Your efforts would be better severed to purchase tobacco products and cellar them. We live in a time where tobacco is out of favor and given time it will come back in favor but none of us will live to see it. Which is why I said: It is pretty easy to draft a letter, quick and to the point.. blogs.nicholas.duke.edu/outdoordevil/why-you-should-write-a-handwritten-letter-to-your-legislator/I have personally heard the same from a House member from the state of California when I took a trip to DC on the part of a group lobbying for home schoolers in the 90's. I respectfully disagree about cellaring and not making an attempt at having my voice heard and being silent to those that are elected.....regardless of how they are predisposed to act, one should never abstain from having their voice heard...to do so, is to abdicate your ability to speak to those in power. Regardless of political parties...whether done by either of the parties one should take notice....94-1 does not show bi-partisanship no matter how it is spun, my criticism would be the same of either party if it were so lopsided... I am not trying to tell anyone what to do...follow your conscience when it is properly informed. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 2:11:12 GMT -5
Charlie I made plenty of attempts to make my voice heard and on the very local level I still participate but I have since given up on endeavoring to reach higher levels of constitutes heading to Washington. My daughter was even head of the young ------- while in High School. You are well aware of who I vote for but it sure hurts having to pick the lessor of two evils at times. So I am happy to have approachable people in position of local power where I reside.
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Post by chasingembers on Nov 24, 2019 4:56:13 GMT -5
No worries here, I've enough tobacco to last until long after I'm burned down to a fine white ash.
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Post by Mac on Nov 24, 2019 14:16:12 GMT -5
I'm all right, Jack!
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Post by Spartacus on Nov 24, 2019 14:18:23 GMT -5
You can not write a email to a representative out of your district the email will be rejected. Tobacco is not going away it can be had at almost every gas station in America. All the new tobacco legislation is nothing more than see I did something BS. The war on tobacco has been lost and a big tobacco won as they still get to sell their wares. Your representative has no interest in speaking or communicating with you unless you can make him or her money and keep them in office. Your efforts would be better severed to purchase tobacco products and cellar them. We live in a time where tobacco is out of favor and given time it will come back in favor but none of us will live to see it. Which is why I said: It is pretty easy to draft a letter, quick and to the point.. blogs.nicholas.duke.edu/outdoordevil/why-you-should-write-a-handwritten-letter-to-your-legislator/I have personally heard the same from a House member from the state of California when I took a trip to DC on the part of a group lobbying for home schoolers in the 90's. I respectfully disagree about cellaring and not making an attempt at having my voice heard and being silent to those that are elected.....regardless of how they are predisposed to act, one should never abstain from having their voice heard...to do so, is to abdicate your ability to speak to those in power. Regardless of political parties...whether done by either of the parties one should take notice....94-1 does not show bi-partisanship no matter how it is spun, my criticism would be the same of either party if it were so lopsided... I am not trying to tell anyone what to do...follow your conscience when it is properly informed. AMEN! |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Nov 24, 2019 17:10:54 GMT -5
While I am covered til the day I die...I agree make your voice heard in a pleasant letter.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 24, 2019 17:49:45 GMT -5
Suzanna Gratia Hupp was in the Luby's restaurant on the fateful day she witnessed the massacre taking her parents life...she went on to write a book about her journey (From Luby's To the legislature) and at the end of the book she details how to forge a relationship with your elected official....even if you are 180 degrees away from your legislative official philosophically, she recommended how to break the ice and have a dialogue with the staff and elected official....she has been in both roles, citizen and legislator...when done properly, it is a force multiplier in having your voice heard and your position considered.
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Post by Kerley0319 on Nov 25, 2019 9:12:07 GMT -5
I suppose this is a bad time to be a newer pipe smoker. Im young and have to admit lower class. No money to cellar. This news makes me slightly nervous.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 9:55:52 GMT -5
No worries you have years to collect your cellar. There are blends I can no longer get and new ones I have never tried.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 25, 2019 10:02:37 GMT -5
Republicans decry any regulation no matter how reasonable and Democrats advocate prohibition no matter how unreasonable. This is why the US Congress is the least popular legislative body in the world. Anybody who says ‘the other party is the problem/solution’ is merely an ignorant partisan cheerleader that has offloaded the responsibility to think critically to National Party planners and propagandists and whose sole remaining function in this kakistocratic body politic is as sphincter to pinch the policy loaves of pernicious plutocrats. Snoogens! I had to look up "kakistocratic", and I know a lot of words. 😉 Looks like it describes the situation in every country on the planet. Situation Normal, All Fouled Up. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 25, 2019 10:04:18 GMT -5
Suzanna Gratia Hupp was in the Luby's restaurant on the fateful day she witnessed the massacre taking her parents life...she went on to write a book about her journey (From Luby's To the legislature) and at the end of the book she details how to forge a relationship with your elected official....even if you are 180 degrees away from your legislative official philosophically, she recommended how to break the ice and have a dialogue with the staff and elected official....she has been in both roles, citizen and legislator...when done properly, it is a force multiplier in having your voice heard and your position considered. I have heard her speak. Way smarter than the average politician. Too good for politics. |
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Post by adui on Nov 25, 2019 14:07:37 GMT -5
I read this and just assumed that when / if it comes to pass I will have to give up my pipe. I cant really afford to cellar in the quantities I would need to get by once something like this goes into affect.
Told my wife about it this weekend, just making conversation. Her response; "So how would you store a lot of tobacco so it wont go bad?" I smiled and briefly explained what I'm learning about cellaring. Looks like my better half is going to make room in the budget for larger quantities of my favorites!
Why yes. I am a spoiled man; why do you ask?
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Post by trailboss on Nov 25, 2019 14:27:14 GMT -5
I am sure that you have plenty of time to cellar, we as a group tend to cry that the sky is falling.
Market forces I would think play a larger role in blends being pulled from the market, but the anti tobacco trajectory is on an unfriendly trajectory... the pricing and availability will never be better.
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Post by adui on Nov 25, 2019 14:35:57 GMT -5
I am sure that you have plenty of time to cellar, we as a group tend to cry that the sky is falling. Market forces I would think play a larger role in blends being pulled from the market, but the anti tobacco trajectory is on an unfriendly trajectory... the pricing and availability will never be better. Just dont tell my wife that...  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 15:03:17 GMT -5
I miss the days when I just had to stock up for the month.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 15:53:48 GMT -5
This is how it used to work in the way back machine of 2000. I was a Frog Morton guy and I used to drive to one of the most congested areas of the city and turning into a blind entry to park on top of the building. I would walk down and grab a few tins of the Frog and then risk my life leaving the place. You see the brick stores did not carry frog Morton anywhere near where I lived. Then came the internet buying in mass and every two weeks there was a box at my door full of new things to try. My meager lifestyle no longer affords these type of buying sprees but then I have a cellar.
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Nov 25, 2019 17:30:18 GMT -5
Suggestion 4) GROW YOUR OWN
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Post by pepesdad1 on Nov 25, 2019 19:04:07 GMT -5
I suppose this is a bad time to be a newer pipe smoker. Im young and have to admit lower class. No money to cellar. This news makes me slightly nervous. You are not lower class...you may be short of money, but there are members here who will be happy to help you out should this disaster of a bill comes to pass. |
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