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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 11:00:05 GMT -5
I have a supply of tobacco to last longer than I am likely to live, but I am starting to think that if I live much longer than I expect I will run out of the good stuff. Hence, I am going to lay in a couple dozen more tins just in case. I will save one tin of FMC to go with me to the incinerator. An offering of my best tobacco to carry my soul to the Creator. or My Creator |
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Post by qmechanics on Dec 21, 2019 15:15:07 GMT -5
Propaganda comes in many forms and can take on different colors and hues . A few themes, most commonly found among those who see the crisis in our political culture, appear in parts of the post by @kramerica and others. These ideas are not new, appear on many forums (kind of like a collective talking point) and resonate with many because of our common frustration with the current politic. Such thoughts can potentially be as binding and blinding as the “ignorant partisan cheerleader that has offloaded the responsibility to think critically ” . At times one party has a better solution, supports a view point or contention similar to one's own position than the other party. The best way to know where things stand is to study the issue and separate oneself from as much noise, propaganda etc. as possible, taking on the issues on a case by case basis. Kicking up dust and ranting about the current state of politics is very cathartic, but sadly it typically changes little if anything and is often not very productive in exploring the specific issues at hand. There are things that I fear from both the ideological left and right. The political parties also have their issues and problems. Of this there can be no doubt. However, the act empowering the FDA to regulate smoking products was passed through the efforts of one party. It also appears there is more support in the other party for smokers rights. Is there enough support? Well I am not holding my breath. However, I will say if the power granted to the FDA to regulate tobacco is to be curtailed (maybe possible) or derailed (very doubtful....impossible) in Congress, one party (or should I say a larger number of House and Senate members from said party.) is more likely to lead the charge than the other. To remove the smell of partisanship and the usual "politics", I will also say there are individuals in both parties who might help move the process along. So lets not make this thread "political" (in accordance with Patch rules), but throw our weight behind folks who will support our cause from whatever party they might come from. If you are Democrat, Republican, Libertarian etc. who cares... We all can support legislation that helps protect this hobby. Feel better now? You must have been backed up. I suggest adding more fibre in the diet and cutting out dairy. Reading through the thread, the word that comes to mind is projection.😀 |
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Post by Penzaholic on Dec 28, 2019 0:43:33 GMT -5
I was putting my money on the projection that this thread was going to be locked by the end of page 2...lol
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Post by hvacpipeguy on Jan 18, 2020 10:15:31 GMT -5
I currently have mixed feelings on this. Part of me realized this is an entirely new political era in America and that nobody knows how this is going to play out, whether America returns to freedom, common sense, and personal responsibility, or becomes a tyranny worse that Soviet Union, or anything in between that. The only thing that is certain is that the current system is unstable and has to change, no ifs, ands, or buts. Whether that change is a return to a constitutional republic and states rights or something else entirely, nobody knows.
With all those dark thoughts out of the way, and I do not mean to get too political, I am also reminded of the past where kings and queens have tried, and failed, to outlaw tobacco. As soon as the first sailor lit up in the Old World, someone was offended. Let that sink in. For over four hunert years, government has been trying to outlaw our blessed plant.
Now I'm from Franklin County, otherwise known as the moonshine capital. Laws didn't stop liquor production during prohibition and it certainly hasn't stopped it now. Another thing to consider is that tobacco use is so common in Asia and we have WIDE OPEN borders. Just add tobacco to that list of everything that is pouring across the border.
In short, the government has failed to stop drugs in this country. It fails to stop guns and weapons coming from South of the border. It failed to stop pot growing and meth production. It has failed at stopping illegal liquor production. It has even failed to stop illegal exotic animal smuggling. About all they can do is increase the taxes on legally sold tobacco and there are ways around that.
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Post by daveinlax on Jan 18, 2020 10:44:08 GMT -5
With all those dark thoughts out of the way, and I do not mean to get too political, I am also reminded of the past where kings and queens have tried, and failed, to outlaw tobacco. As soon as the first sailor lit up in the Old World, someone was offended. Let that sink in. For over four hunert years, government has been trying to outlaw our blessed plant. LoL! Guess I missed that day in history class. Anyway I'd be more worried about your wife and your employers insurance provider "outlawing" tobacco.  |
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Post by hvacpipeguy on Jan 18, 2020 11:23:10 GMT -5
I don't have a wife and my girlfriend is well aware she will not change me. But I'm lucky enough she actually doesn't mind my pipes. As for the insurance, if it came down to it, I'd cancel it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 12:27:43 GMT -5
“Electronic sales will be outlawed. Brick and Mortar shops will see an increase in business, but your favorite 12 pipe and cigar retailers all have a very good online presence. Think about it, you will no longer be allowed to get any blend or cigar unless you can get it locally.” www.briarreport.org/2019/11/23/the-stage-is-set-to-ban-online-tobacco-sales/Perfect business for a Pipeman like me that loathes the Internet! |
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Post by rmb on Mar 1, 2020 14:58:37 GMT -5
I'm sure it's comes as no surprise but this has passed the House. Fingers crossed that it's shot down in the Senate or vetoed.
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Post by trailboss on Mar 1, 2020 15:03:55 GMT -5
“Electronic sales will be outlawed. Brick and Mortar shops will see an increase in business, but your favorite 12 pipe and cigar retailers all have a very good online presence. Think about it, you will no longer be allowed to get any blend or cigar unless you can get it locally.” www.briarreport.org/2019/11/23/the-stage-is-set-to-ban-online-tobacco-sales/Perfect business for a Pipeman like me that loathes the Internet! This will happen eventually...once you have a party that controls both houses and the presidency, or the president looks at it as a bargaining chip....and the thought of a tobacco free nation has them with a constant woody. Gridlock is good for the most part. |
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Post by fadingdaylight on Mar 1, 2020 16:21:47 GMT -5
And I always thought proper education was the key to saving our youth. Crazy, but I am fairly certain that they can't purchase it online or in stores anyway, so clearly the issue isn't where tobacco is sold. It has to do with who is buying it for minors, or who isn't verifying ages properly. On that note, I'm fairly sure that flavored tobacco isn't for sale to minors either. Oh, shite, you know what guys, the problem isn't tobacco, flavors, or internet sales.
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Post by fadingdaylight on Mar 1, 2020 16:23:05 GMT -5
On a serious note though, get in good with your B&M and they can order whatever you want. Mine has already told me that if I am going to buy it, they will get it for me. Not that I like the idea of paying their prices, but desperate times call for desperate measures.
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Post by trailboss on Mar 1, 2020 16:39:20 GMT -5
On a serious note though, get in good with your B&M and they can order whatever you want. Mine has already told me that if I am going to buy it, they will get it for me. Not that I like the idea of paying their prices, but desperate times call for desperate measures. That is the benefit of getting a pipe club started, if it is possible to get enough members, the store owner can get the volume moving that makes it attractive to the pipe smoker, and the store owner alike. |
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Post by acefour on Mar 2, 2020 21:28:18 GMT -5
It is on the bottom of the stack of 400 other bills the senate has ignored from the house. It will never hit the floor to vote but again the barbarians are knocking at the door. Expect more states to join in on the ban of internet sales of tobacco.
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Post by fadingdaylight on Mar 2, 2020 21:47:09 GMT -5
On a serious note though, get in good with your B&M and they can order whatever you want. Mine has already told me that if I am going to buy it, they will get it for me. Not that I like the idea of paying their prices, but desperate times call for desperate measures. That is the benefit of getting a pipe club started, if it is possible to get enough members, the store owner can get the volume moving that makes it attractive to the pipe smoker, and the store owner alike. This is actually brilliant, I'll talk to the shop owners about it this week. |
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Post by trailboss on Mar 2, 2020 21:52:20 GMT -5
That is the benefit of getting a pipe club started, if it is possible to get enough members, the store owner can get the volume moving that makes it attractive to the pipe smoker, and the store owner alike. This is actually brilliant, I'll talk to the shop owners about it this week. It takes consistently meeting on fixed calendar dates regardless of the attendance. I do not care for social media, but it has exponentially attracted pipe smokers to the Arizona Pipe Club. |
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Post by fadingdaylight on Mar 2, 2020 22:21:41 GMT -5
This is actually brilliant, I'll talk to the shop owners about it this week. It takes consistently meeting on fixed calendar dates regardless of the attendance. I do not care for social media, but it has exponentially attracted pipe smokers to the Arizona Pipe Club. I may have to pick your brain a bit to get this thing up and running, there are clearly a number of pipe smokers frequenting the shop, so perhaps launching a club is the right way to go. |
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Post by trailboss on Mar 2, 2020 22:27:03 GMT -5
Feel free...I am far from being a pipe club guru, but I have bumped my head enough time learning lessons that my be beneficial to others.
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Post by sperrytops on Mar 4, 2020 15:15:35 GMT -5
This is actually brilliant, I'll talk to the shop owners about it this week. It takes consistently meeting on fixed calendar dates regardless of the attendance. I do not care for social media, but it has exponentially attracted pipe smokers to the Arizona Pipe Club. Bits of wisdom there. While us older folks are not particularly big on social media it's quite clear to me that if you want to reach anyone under 30 that is about the only way. |
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Post by fadingdaylight on Mar 4, 2020 19:19:56 GMT -5
It takes consistently meeting on fixed calendar dates regardless of the attendance. I do not care for social media, but it has exponentially attracted pipe smokers to the Arizona Pipe Club. Bits of wisdom there. While us older folks are not particularly big on social media it's quite clear to me that if you want to reach anyone under 30 that is about the only way. Sad but true. I'm 37, but this forum is as close as I get to social media. I guess I better get used to the idea that if I get a club launched, it's going to need a Facebook page at least. |
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