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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 28, 2020 11:55:08 GMT -5
In training a dog you'll get back what you put into it. If you treat any domestic animal badly they will turn bad, and vice versa. Precisely. Humorously, this applies to humans as well. [/quote][/div]
Wait.....I thought our individuality was determined at birth?
[/quote] All men are created equal. Environment makes all of the difference.
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Post by stone on Feb 28, 2020 12:03:05 GMT -5
In training a dog you'll get back what you put into it. If you treat any domestic animal badly they will turn bad, and vice versa. Precisely. Humorously, this applies to humans as well. [/div]
Wait.....I thought our individuality was determined at birth?
[/quote] All men are created equal. Environment makes all of the difference. [/quote][/div]
Couldn't agree more!
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Post by dervis on Feb 28, 2020 12:49:44 GMT -5
Hate to hear about this situation. I agree with what most everyone has said, if it were me the dog would be shot. Hopefully the spray will do the job though. Clever fix to a problem.
I had a ole mutt dog once, that when it got big enough to jump its fence it did. Chased the neighbor goats and had one down, neighbor shot the dog. Was waiting on me when I got home from work apologizing. Of course there was nothing for him to apologize for. I offered to pay for the goat, he declined. We both had a few beers and buried my dog. No hard feelings on either side.
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Post by adui on Feb 28, 2020 13:04:02 GMT -5
Hate to hear about this situation. I agree with what most everyone has said, if it were me the dog would be shot. Hopefully the spray will do the job though. Clever fix to a problem. I had a ole mutt dog once, that when it got big enough to jump its fence it did. Chased the neighbor goats and had one down, neighbor shot the dog. Was waiting on me when I got home from work apologizing. Of course there was nothing for him to apologize for. I offered to pay for the goat, he declined. We both had a few beers and buried my dog. No hard feelings on either side. and THAT is how it should be done! Early in our time on the farm a couple of dogs from a nearby property made there way to our place, and chased the livestock around. Mom and dad got the rifles out and scared them off. It was only later I discovered they were not trying to hit the dogs but rather dropping rounds in the dirt near them to drive them away. Dad tracked them through the woods to where they came from and let the owner know they'd been out running. It was just a friendly "Hey I wanted you to know" A few days later we found out the guy had the younger of the two put down as he was the instigator. This wasn't what we wanted, but it did show us our neighbor was willing to take care when his dogs did something wrong.
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Post by bigwoolie on Feb 28, 2020 13:08:09 GMT -5
Btw - if you are in a "no shoot" situation and dont have any pepper spray on hand, household cleaning ammonia diluted in water in a good spray bottle is an effective teacher of boundaries for an obnoxious dog. I got that from an old postman.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Feb 28, 2020 13:39:49 GMT -5
Btw - if you are in a "no shoot" situation and dont have any pepper spray on hand, household cleaning ammonia diluted in water in a good spray bottle is an effective teacher of boundaries for an obnoxious dog. I got that from an old postman. That is good to know...many thanks for the suggestion, Dewayne....much appreciate a way of handling a situation without using a firearm. I have neighbors that while they are far away enough, I still could have a problem firing a gun while in the county.
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Post by pappyjoe on Feb 28, 2020 14:28:45 GMT -5
Funny story. Had a guy I worked with for about 3 years who had a small furry dog, a Pekingese, and he had a cat that was bigger than his dog. He had a new neighbor move in with a mean German Shepard and the neighbor would just open the door and let the Shepard out. Said Shepard would then proceed to terrorize any other dog in the neighborhood. That was until my friend got fed up and let his cat out. Did I mention his cat was a Siberian and weighed 27 lbs. They never had a problem with that Shepard coming in his yard again.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Feb 28, 2020 14:41:01 GMT -5
That is funny, Pappyjoe....I had an American Snowshoe cat (gunmetal grey with white feet and ringed tail) that weighed in at 22#'s and he was the opposite...He would get between fighting cats and break them up by sheer size and weight...he was a pacifist by nature and was a very loving cat..I named him Gary after a porsche mechanic who could listen to the exhaust and tell you what was wrong with the engine. Guy had porsches' sent to him from as far away as NJ (we lived in Miami at the time). Hell of a mechanic and with a nature as quiet as could be.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 15:31:47 GMT -5
In training a dog you'll get back what you put into it. If you treat any domestic animal badly they will turn bad, and vice versa. Precisely. Humorously, this applies to humans as well. I can't agree wholly on that one, I think some humans are just born Evil. I really don't want to think of them that way but, some children I grew up with that are now grown ups (well sorta grown up) that haven't changed in the least and are still @?&%$.
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Post by fadingdaylight on Feb 28, 2020 15:37:13 GMT -5
In training a dog you'll get back what you put into it. If you treat any domestic animal badly they will turn bad, and vice versa. Precisely. Humorously, this applies to humans as well. I can't agree wholly on that one, I think some humans are just born Evil. I really don't want to think of them that way but, some children I grew up with that are now grown ups (well sorta grown up) that haven't changed in the least and are still @?&%$.
Fair enough. To your point, we all know who Gary Gilmore was. Guy grew up in a normal home, brother was an author I think, sister an actress maybe, been awhile since I read this story. Anyway, parents were decent folk, nothing out of the ordinary, only Gary went bad. Perhaps humans could be born a little bad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 15:38:25 GMT -5
Hate to hear about this situation. I agree with what most everyone has said, if it were me the dog would be shot. Hopefully the spray will do the job though. Clever fix to a problem. I had a ole mutt dog once, that when it got big enough to jump its fence it did. Chased the neighbor goats and had one down, neighbor shot the dog. Was waiting on me when I got home from work apologizing. Of course there was nothing for him to apologize for. I offered to pay for the goat, he declined. We both had a few beers and buried my dog. No hard feelings on either side. Hate to hear about this situation. I agree with what most everyone has said, if it were me the dog would be shot. Hopefully the spray will do the job though. Clever fix to a problem. I had a ole mutt dog once, that when it got big enough to jump its fence it did. Chased the neighbor goats and had one down, neighbor shot the dog. Was waiting on me when I got home from work apologizing. Of course there was nothing for him to apologize for. I offered to pay for the goat, he declined. We both had a few beers and buried my dog. No hard feelings on either side. and THAT is how it should be done! Early in our time on the farm a couple of dogs from a nearby property made there way to our place, and chased the livestock around. Mom and dad got the rifles out and scared them off. It was only later I discovered they were not trying to hit the dogs but rather dropping rounds in the dirt near them to drive them away. Dad tracked them through the woods to where they came from and let the owner know they'd been out running. It was just a friendly "Hey I wanted you to know" A few days later we found out the guy had the younger of the two put down as he was the instigator. This wasn't what we wanted, but it did show us our neighbor was willing to take care when his dogs did something wrong. Where are these people, everyone I have ever had animal problems with have been @%?&$! and thats plural.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 15:41:07 GMT -5
Btw - if you are in a "no shoot" situation and dont have any pepper spray on hand, household cleaning ammonia diluted in water in a good spray bottle is an effective teacher of boundaries for an obnoxious dog. I got that from an old postman. Good one sir, I'll use straight AMMONIA! Rains a lot here.
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Post by peteguy on Feb 28, 2020 16:22:38 GMT -5
Capsaicin spray (not sure on spelling). They also have motion activated sprinklers but to hell with that, make the dog pay for his mistake.
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Post by BrunoT on Feb 28, 2020 17:36:52 GMT -5
Had a German Shepherd for 12 years, trained him since pup. Never strayed too far when off the leash... hand signals or a whistle was enough for him to shift his attention back to me.
IMHO, if a dog doesn't listen, the fault is with the owner most of the time. Good on you for teaching the dog some boundaries (albeit belated) which it obviously needs.
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Post by Yohanan on Feb 28, 2020 19:50:27 GMT -5
I don't like dogs that are aggressive towards me, especially when I am on my own premises. I have had to deal with aggressive animals while working. A stun baton works wonders, you pop him with that and he will most certainly remember the the baton, most dogs don't even like the sound of it when you turn it on, and that in itself usually does the trick.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Feb 28, 2020 20:16:58 GMT -5
My dog has me trained...4PM she starts looking at me with a look on her face that says... DINNER TIME, POPS!!!! If I miss the cue, she comes over and stands on my foot, if that fails to get the proper response she will come in the kitchen and rattle her dish, if I still don't get the message she will fling the dish down the hall....as I said she has me well trained. This is her giving me the eye...meaning, HEY! I'm cute and you love me... get on the ball!!!! POPS!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2020 21:11:56 GMT -5
I would be terrified to Uncle Walt even a man such as I have been trained to slice cure 81 ham by that same look.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Feb 28, 2020 21:25:39 GMT -5
SEE!!! You know what I mean, Sean.
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Post by stone on Feb 29, 2020 8:01:46 GMT -5
In training a dog you'll get back what you put into it. If you treat any domestic animal badly they will turn bad, and vice versa. Precisely. Humorously, this applies to humans as well. I can't agree wholly on that one, I think some humans are just born Evil. I really don't want to think of them that way but, some children I grew up with that are now grown ups (well sorta grown up) that haven't changed in the least and are still @?&%$.
I'm curious what kind of parents they had and what kind of disciplined upbringing?
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Post by stone on Feb 29, 2020 8:11:01 GMT -5
I don't like dogs that are aggressive towards me, especially when I am on my own premises. I have had to deal with aggressive animals while working. A stun baton works wonders, you pop him with that and he will most certainly remember the the baton, most dogs don't even like the sound of it when you turn it on, and that in itself usually does the trick. I get annoyed when dogs bark at me when I am on my property and their owners just stand there!
A number of years ago, at my hunting cabin which is somewhat hillbilly or ridge runner, whichever you prefer, a squatter moved into a vacant shack and had numerous dogs in pens. These dogs would go apeshit non-stop when I was sitting around my firepit with friends. The people would not answer the door when I went to ask that they control their dogs. Although they became quite a nuisance, the Sheriff couldn't do anything about them squatting because the owner of the shack could not be found to initiate eviction so they were there for 9 - 10 months.
I eventually saw that they were actually getting mail at the place and so I wrote a letter to them "as a concerned neighbor" telling them there was a group of people discussing killing the dogs if they didn't do something about them. The next time I went to my cabin, they had moved out
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 9:50:33 GMT -5
I can't agree wholly on that one, I think some humans are just born Evil. I really don't want to think of them that way but, some children I grew up with that are now grown ups (well sorta grown up) that haven't changed in the least and are still @?&%$.
I'm curious what kind of parents they had and what kind of disciplined upbringing? I would have to say normal.
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Post by adui on Feb 29, 2020 12:28:06 GMT -5
rdpipes Sadly Ron, the older I get the more I agree with you. As much as I am happy to be alive, long ago I came to the realization that the human race may well be the worst thing that ever happened to this planet and its inhabitants. And no, I'm not a Greenpeace tree hugger. I am however a responsible outdoorsman, (Well I used to be an outdoorsman, I cant even make time to get to the range any more these days.)
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Post by pepesdad1 on Feb 29, 2020 12:50:27 GMT -5
rdpipes Sadly Ron, the older I get the more I agree with you. As much as I am happy to be alive, long ago I came to the realization that the human race may well be the worst thing that ever happened to this planet and its inhabitants. And no, I'm not a Greenpeace tree hugger. I am however a responsible outdoorsman, (Well I used to be an outdoorsman, I cant even make time to get to the range any more these days.) Have to agree with you, Terry...humans seem not to be able to get along with any other living thing.
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Post by fadingdaylight on Feb 29, 2020 16:00:25 GMT -5
rdpipes Sadly Ron, the older I get the more I agree with you. As much as I am happy to be alive, long ago I came to the realization that the human race may well be the worst thing that ever happened to this planet and its inhabitants. And no, I'm not a Greenpeace tree hugger. I am however a responsible outdoorsman, (Well I used to be an outdoorsman, I cant even make time to get to the range any more these days.) Have to agree with you, Terry...humans seem not to be able to get along with any other living thing. The eternal quest to be right and in control
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 17:09:54 GMT -5
Have to agree with you, Terry...humans seem not to be able to get along with any other living thing. The eternal quest to be right and in control I can't disagree with that but, I'll add SELF CENTEREDNESS.
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Post by fadingdaylight on Feb 29, 2020 17:21:55 GMT -5
The eternal quest to be right and in control I can't disagree with that but, I'll add SELF CENTEREDNESS. Absolutely.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 19:39:25 GMT -5
UPDATE: This morning while heading to the shop that POS dog showed up and with a buddy (a little yapper) and with my luck no gun on and the wind was blowing towards me so I spray 'em I just picked a few rocks and through'em at'em and proceeded to make my way to the neighbors. I confronted him and told he has to keep the dog off my property and he states he's trying. I told him he needs to chain'em up or put'em inside a fence. He replies telling me he don't do chains. And then asked if I had sprayed him the other day and I told him yes sir! I told him if the dog comes on my property one more time that I'd shoot'em. He said please don't do that, I'll buy you pepper spray. I told him it didn't seem to work if he came back again. Well I'm trying to train'em and the spray will help. I thought to myself "Oh and I'm suppose to train'em for ya?" I repeated my last threat that I'd shoot'em if he came back and walked off. Needless to say he wasn't real happy.
This is what I mean, people just don't want to take responsibility to do there own work, just lazy and self centered hoping they'll force the other guy to do there bidding. To tell you the truth the way the dog pays no attention to him and is as violent as it is I think he (the owner) is afraid to apply any degree forcefulness to the dog. Its a mean nasty POS and if it was mine (and remember I loved all my dogs) I'd take it for a walk in the woods and put it to the back of its head. Just like you get rid of a mean bull.
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Post by Darin on Feb 29, 2020 20:04:59 GMT -5
That's too bad … he should take it to a Pit Rescue where they can give the proper rehabilitation. Without being an "Alpha" male to a dog like that it will only get worse, I'm afraid. I really hope you don't have to shoot him but it's sounding grim.
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Post by trailboss on Feb 29, 2020 21:39:02 GMT -5
Common sense tells me that you should be able to use deadly force against an angry animal, but the devil is in the Texas details. The full article: www.uslawshield.com/can-i-be-arrested-for-shooting-an-attacking-dog-in-texas/To the best of your recollection Ron, I would write everything down including dates and conversations with the owner...I would then notify the local sheriff about them with the ongoing problem, and file a complaint...if the owner is unwilling or unable to control his dog, then he needs to experience a reality check....following this plan will play in your favor. Typically the law is keyed on that the first person to file a complaint is looked upon as the victim....this guy could beat you to the sheriff, and say that you are harassing his dog by spraying it and provoking the dog. Now he gets to play the victim and you are the angry curmudgeon that has wants to kill his beloved pet. I know that this goes against your western sensibilities, and to live peaceably with your neighbor, but that horse has left the barn... It is good advice, and one well worth considering.
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Post by stone on Mar 1, 2020 6:34:23 GMT -5
UPDATE: This morning while heading to the shop that POS dog showed up and with a buddy (a little yapper) and with my luck no gun on and the wind was blowing towards me so I spray 'em I just picked a few rocks and through'em at'em and proceeded to make my way to the neighbors. I confronted him and told he has to keep the dog off my property and he states he's trying. I told him he needs to chain'em up or put'em inside a fence. He replies telling me he don't do chains. And then asked if I had sprayed him the other day and I told him yes sir! I told him if the dog comes on my property one more time that I'd shoot'em. He said please don't do that, I'll buy you pepper spray. I told him it didn't seem to work if he came back again. Well I'm trying to train'em and the spray will help. I thought to myself "Oh and I'm suppose to train'em for ya?" I repeated my last threat that I'd shoot'em if he came back and walked off. Needless to say he wasn't real happy.
This is what I mean, people just don't want to take responsibility to do there own work, just lazy and self centered hoping they'll force the other guy to do there bidding. To tell you the truth the way the dog pays no attention to him and is as violent as it is I think he (the owner) is afraid to apply any degree forcefulness to the dog. Its a mean nasty POS and if it was mine (and remember I loved all my dogs) I'd take it for a walk in the woods and put it to the back of its head. Just like you get rid of a mean bull.
Ron, I have seen the most determined dogs change their roaming habits instantly with the invisible fence shock collar. All the guy has to do is lay out a small area of fence and place the flags. The instant the dogs associate the flags with the shock, you can put flags anywhere, even if there isn't any buried fence, and the dogs will NOT cross the line of the flags.
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