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Post by trailboss on May 2, 2021 17:45:51 GMT -5
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Post by Gandalf on May 2, 2021 18:25:24 GMT -5
As I discovered in WA, somethings won’t happen because of the politician’s personal appetites. To many rich and powerful people people smoke cigars, they will find a way to exempt their baby. If it comes to banning all aromatic tobacco, and the wording snares cigars, I think it will fade away. Menthol cigarettes are done, but they’re just a straw man. It’s posturing. I’m not too smart but that’s how I see it. Hope so. |
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Post by Darin on May 2, 2021 18:33:46 GMT -5
Is there anyone here that would actually stop smoking all together if aro's went away? Just curious.
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Post by fadingdaylight on May 2, 2021 18:37:39 GMT -5
Is there anyone here that would actually stop smoking all together if aro's went away? Just curious. No. I don't care for them anyway. But I think the problem is what the lost revenue would do to the pipe tobacco companies in general. |
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Post by trailboss on May 2, 2021 18:47:07 GMT -5
Is there anyone here that would actually stop smoking all together if aro's went away? Just curious. No. I don't care for them anyway. But I think the problem is what the lost revenue would do to the pipe tobacco companies in general. Yep. I have heard it too many times from so many in the industry that we are riding on the backs of the aromatic smokers, as they comprise far more of the sales than we do. If they are cut off, it will be the death knell for the non aromatic blends. |
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Post by Darin on May 2, 2021 18:47:20 GMT -5
Is there anyone here that would actually stop smoking all together if aro's went away? Just curious. No. I don't care for them anyway. But I think the problem is what the lost revenue would do to the pipe tobacco companies in general. Agreed ... just wondered if anyone would actually quit instead of smoking something else. |
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Post by trailboss on May 2, 2021 18:54:59 GMT -5
No. I don't care for them anyway. But I think the problem is what the lost revenue would do to the pipe tobacco companies in general. Agreed ... just wondered if anyone would actually quit instead of smoking something else. Hash, weed, and opium would be all that is left. I am not against any adult doing whatever they want....but the same people that a few years ago complained about government intrusion on their choices, are now the architects of crafting legislation to limit peoples choices on a product that does not inhibit judgment and giving a pass to to products that do. Preaching to the choir, Darin. 
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Post by Darin on May 2, 2021 19:09:01 GMT -5
Agreed ... just wondered if anyone would actually quit instead of smoking something else. Hash, weed, and opium would be all that is left. I am not against any adult doing whatever they want....but the same people that a few years ago complained about government intrusion on their choices, are now the architects of crafting legislation to limit peoples choices on a product that does not inhibit judgment and giving a pass to to products that do. Preaching to the choir, Darin.
I was in the choir ... we listened the least! 😉 |
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Post by Gandalf on May 2, 2021 20:08:47 GMT -5
Just went looking for Lane Limited Vanilla Black Cavendish - my go to favorite vanilla.
Everyone is out of stock, but the "Pipes and Cigars" site says "Due to the FDA Deeming Regulations, Lane Vanilla Black Cavendish has been discontinued."
Looks like aromatics are being impacted.
Looks like I'm screwed.
WTF!
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Post by pepesdad1 on May 2, 2021 20:30:47 GMT -5
Just went looking for Lane Limited Vanilla Black Cavendish - my go to favorite vanilla. Everyone is out of stock, but the "Pipes and Cigars" site says "Due to the FDA Deeming Regulations, Lane Vanilla Black Cavendish has been discontinued."Looks like aromatics are being impacted. Looks like I'm screwed.
WTF!We've been hollering for years now...cellar deep on your favorites...then you won't be impacted by this BS. |
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Post by trailboss on May 2, 2021 20:45:42 GMT -5
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Post by terrapinflyer on May 2, 2021 20:58:32 GMT -5
Wait--I can smoke opium?! Probably not flavored, though, because the innocent children.
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Post by trailboss on May 2, 2021 21:07:00 GMT -5
Wait--I can smoke opium?! Probably not flavored, though, because the innocent children. If you live in Oregon you can! |
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Post by Gypo on May 2, 2021 21:24:47 GMT -5
Wait--I can smoke opium?! Probably not flavored, though, because the innocent children. If you live in Oregon you can! But if you want a bottle of Whiskey you have to buy from a state run liquor store |
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Post by trailboss on May 2, 2021 21:34:46 GMT -5
If you live in Oregon you can! But if you want a bottle of Whiskey you have to buy from a state run liquor store Ridiculous isn't it? |
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chasingembers
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First Name: Duane
Favorite Pipe: My Growing J. Everett Collection, Fifteen Day Bruce Weaver Set, Meerschaums, Oguz Simsek Skulls
Favorite Tobacco: Black Frigate,Solani Silver Flake, Yenidje Highlander, Angler's Dream, Watch City Slices, Salty Dogs, Mephisto, Ennerdale Flake, Rich Dark Honeydew, 1792 Flake
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Post by chasingembers on May 2, 2021 21:49:52 GMT -5
Growing your own isn't illegal yet.  My cellar is 50% Virginia families, 30% aromatics, 15% Burleys, and 5% English. My cellaring started decades ago to stay ahead of cost increase but is also a buffer again legislation. Come what may, my cellar, aromatics included, may well outlive me. |
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Post by trailboss on May 2, 2021 21:57:11 GMT -5
Growing your own isn't illegal yet. No it isn't, but give the bureaucrats time. In Australia you can be thrown into jail for growing tobacco. Growing tobacco is not that difficult, it is all the processes that come after harvesting and sourcing different varietals, that is the problem. Years of aging fine leaf from a crop in 1990, etc... It isn't like just growing tobacco and stuffing it in a jar. I feel bad for the young person that will be robbed from the experiences I have had. My tobacco will last longer than I will, but it still sucks. I want my grandson to enoy tobacco if it suits him, but there are A$$es that would deny him the ability as they write laws governing its distribution. |
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chasingembers
Senior Member
Posts: 1,909
First Name: Duane
Favorite Pipe: My Growing J. Everett Collection, Fifteen Day Bruce Weaver Set, Meerschaums, Oguz Simsek Skulls
Favorite Tobacco: Black Frigate,Solani Silver Flake, Yenidje Highlander, Angler's Dream, Watch City Slices, Salty Dogs, Mephisto, Ennerdale Flake, Rich Dark Honeydew, 1792 Flake
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Post by chasingembers on May 2, 2021 21:59:22 GMT -5
Growing your own isn't illegal yet. No it isn't, but give the bureaucrats time. In Australia you can be thrown into jail for growing tobacco. Growing tobacco is not that difficult, it is all the processes that come after harvesting and sourcing different varietals, that is the problem. Years of aging fine leaf from a crop in 1990, etc... It isn't like just growing tobacco and stuffing it in a jar. I find twists from a previous year's crop quite enjoyable for smoking and chewing. |
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Post by Stearmandriver on May 2, 2021 22:03:59 GMT -5
Maybe I'm cynical, but it feels like we don't quite have the full story on the Lane blend disappearing.
In the first place, it obviously can't have anything to do with the proposed rules that are the original subject of the thread... they were proposed like 4 days ago. Even if passed on a record-setting fasttrack with no opposition, we're talking months or more likely years before they're law.
I'm no expert on the "deeming regulations", but as I understand them, they're a collection of restrictions on the approval of tobacco products for sale, placing a high burden on manufacturers to get new products (in our case, pipe blends) approved for sale, with pre-2007 blends grandfathered. Many of the restrictions seem to be in limbo right now, but is that roughly correct?
So, how exactly could the deeming regulations have caused only this one single Lane aromatic to stop being produced? There are a large number of sweet aromatic blends that hit the market post-2007 and are still being produced.
Makes you wonder if Lane wasn't just looking for an excuse here.
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chasingembers
Senior Member
Posts: 1,909
First Name: Duane
Favorite Pipe: My Growing J. Everett Collection, Fifteen Day Bruce Weaver Set, Meerschaums, Oguz Simsek Skulls
Favorite Tobacco: Black Frigate,Solani Silver Flake, Yenidje Highlander, Angler's Dream, Watch City Slices, Salty Dogs, Mephisto, Ennerdale Flake, Rich Dark Honeydew, 1792 Flake
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Post by chasingembers on May 2, 2021 22:09:10 GMT -5
Maybe I'm cynical, but it feels like we don't quite have the full story on the Lane blend disappearing. In the first place, it obviously can't have anything to do with the proposed rules that are the original subject of the thread... they were proposed like 4 days ago. Even if passed on a record-setting fasttrack with no opposition, we're talking months or more likely years before they're law. I'm no expert on the "deeming regulations", but as I understand them, they're a collection of restrictions on the approval of tobacco products for sale, placing a high burden on manufacturers to get new products (in our case, pipe blends) approved for sale, with pre-2007 blends grandfathered. Many of the restrictions seem to be in limbo right now, but is that roughly correct? So, how exactly could the deeming regulations have caused only this one single Lane aromatic to stop being produced? There are a large number of sweet aromatic blends that hit the market post-2007 and are still being produced. Makes you wonder if Lane wasn't just looking for an excuse here. Several P&C aromatics come as blend you're own kits due to impending deeming. Even their build your own blend was dropped years ago because of it. Lane likely underproduced and sold out faster than expected and ceased production to avoid liability. I even know a few carvers that backed out back in 2015 to avoid future hassle. |
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Post by trailboss on May 2, 2021 22:15:02 GMT -5
But then again it might be a calculated decision after reading the tea leaves on the course that we are on. If the FDA is making decisions on race, minority status, and sexual preference it doesn't take a wise sage to see where the trajectory is headed. I can see them doing a last run and closing them out because of looming restrictions.
I fully expect to see the same comments by P&C made regarding other aromatics as they winnow down in stock. Don't expect them to give a heads up on it, buy what you like if you can afford it.
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Post by Stearmandriver on May 2, 2021 22:32:59 GMT -5
Both solid points.
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Post by trailboss on May 2, 2021 22:38:24 GMT -5
Regardless of the situation, and where we are headed, a quote from Brian Levine that "Tobacco will never be more affordable and available than it is now" Has proven to be true. He stated that several years back, and he was spot on.
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chasingembers
Senior Member
Posts: 1,909
First Name: Duane
Favorite Pipe: My Growing J. Everett Collection, Fifteen Day Bruce Weaver Set, Meerschaums, Oguz Simsek Skulls
Favorite Tobacco: Black Frigate,Solani Silver Flake, Yenidje Highlander, Angler's Dream, Watch City Slices, Salty Dogs, Mephisto, Ennerdale Flake, Rich Dark Honeydew, 1792 Flake
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Post by chasingembers on May 2, 2021 23:34:18 GMT -5
Regardless of the situation, and where we are headed, a quote from Brian Levine that "Tobacco will never be more affordable and available than it is now" Has proven to be true. He stated that several years back, and he was spot on. Don't know who Brian Levine is, but that quote has been passed around since I started smoking thirty years ago and no matter the era, it is always true. |
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Post by trailboss on May 2, 2021 23:47:10 GMT -5
Regardless of the situation, and where we are headed, a quote from Brian Levine that "Tobacco will never be more affordable and available than it is now" Has proven to be true. He stated that several years back, and he was spot on. Don't know who Brian Levine is, but that quote has been passed around since I started smoking thirty years ago and no matter the era, it is always true. He hosts the pipesmagazine podcast, and about 30 years ago he started out in the industry. Worth a listen to. pipesmagazine.com/blog/tag/pipes-podcast/ |
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chasingembers
Senior Member
Posts: 1,909
First Name: Duane
Favorite Pipe: My Growing J. Everett Collection, Fifteen Day Bruce Weaver Set, Meerschaums, Oguz Simsek Skulls
Favorite Tobacco: Black Frigate,Solani Silver Flake, Yenidje Highlander, Angler's Dream, Watch City Slices, Salty Dogs, Mephisto, Ennerdale Flake, Rich Dark Honeydew, 1792 Flake
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Post by chasingembers on May 3, 2021 0:03:34 GMT -5
Don't know who Brian Levine is, but that quote has been passed around since I started smoking thirty years ago and no matter the era, it is always true. He hosts the pipesmagazine podcast, and about 30 years ago he started out in the industry. Worth a listen to. pipesmagazine.com/blog/tag/pipes-podcast/Looked him up a few minutes ago. I've heard talk about the radio show, but couldn't imagine listening to someone talk about smoking for an hour.😁 |
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Post by trailboss on May 3, 2021 0:17:03 GMT -5
He has guests and interviews them, regularly he has Jeff Gracik of J Allen pipes on, and a bevy of other guests. It is pretty good.
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Post by Gandalf on May 3, 2021 12:44:49 GMT -5
Maybe I'm cynical, but it feels like we don't quite have the full story on the Lane blend disappearing. In the first place, it obviously can't have anything to do with the proposed rules that are the original subject of the thread... they were proposed like 4 days ago. Even if passed on a record-setting fasttrack with no opposition, we're talking months or more likely years before they're law. I'm no expert on the "deeming regulations", but as I understand them, they're a collection of restrictions on the approval of tobacco products for sale, placing a high burden on manufacturers to get new products (in our case, pipe blends) approved for sale, with pre-2007 blends grandfathered. Many of the restrictions seem to be in limbo right now, but is that roughly correct? So, how exactly could the deeming regulations have caused only this one single Lane aromatic to stop being produced? There are a large number of sweet aromatic blends that hit the market post-2007 and are still being produced. Makes you wonder if Lane wasn't just looking for an excuse here. It does seem odd, doesn't it? I wondered if the vanilla flavoring they used was actually a vaping product and that singled it out somehow. |
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Post by bigwoolie on May 3, 2021 13:11:45 GMT -5
I wonder how many aromatic smokers would actually begin to explore and switch to English blends and non aromatic tobaccos rather than just quit smoking altogether.
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Post by pepesdad1 on May 3, 2021 13:34:02 GMT -5
"but couldn't imagine listening to someone talk about smoking for an hour.😁"
I'm with Duane on this one.
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