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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 3, 2021 18:01:40 GMT -5
The M1 Carbines are now listed at Midway. Too expensive for me $1150 - $2495.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 3, 2021 18:31:24 GMT -5
USGI for $550.00 at the CMP Ron. Well at least in 2006 that was the case.   |
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Post by Plainsman on Jun 3, 2021 18:50:59 GMT -5
Kind of a hodge-podge, as you would expect. But looks like there could be some gems there. With soft-point or hollow-point bullets, and at slightly over 5 pounds, an M1 carbine makes a good home-defense gun. It's certainly not a power-house, but repeat hits should do the job if required.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Jun 3, 2021 19:23:19 GMT -5
USGI for $550.00 at the CMP Ron. Well at least in 2006 that was the case. I remember getting one from the NRA...way back for $25.00...this was after the Korean Conflict was over. Had a 30 round clip and stripper clips for the rounds...anyone else remember that? |
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Post by trailboss on Jun 3, 2021 19:52:01 GMT -5
From reading the milsurp forums, they were really cheap back in the day.
Hardware stores had barrels of rifles for practically giveaway prices.
A buddy of mine bought a full auto Thompson mg for 500 back in 1980. The same year he bought a BAR on the cheap too.
Both are now worth upwards of 20k
Check gum broker for an M1 Carbine Ron.
I have seen decently priced ones about a year ago.
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Post by toshtego on Jun 3, 2021 20:31:37 GMT -5
Kind of a hodge-podge, as you would expect. But looks like there could be some gems there. With soft-point or hollow-point bullets, and at slightly over 5 pounds, an M1 carbine makes a good home-defense gun. It's certainly not a power-house, but repeat hits should do the job if required. Following a brutal incident in 1980 when two elderly brothers were pistol whipped by burglars raiding their home in San Francisco, former US Congressman Pete McCloskey, a highly decorated USMC Officer and veteran of Korea stated, for the record, that every Senior Citizen should wield an M1 Carbine for self defense. Good advice. |
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Post by toshtego on Jun 3, 2021 20:34:32 GMT -5
I cannot afford an M1 Carbine. I do posses a Ruger Deerfield Carbine which is kind a cross between the old M1 Carbine and the Mini-14. Chambered in .44 Remington Magnum, it holds only five rounds. If I cannot solve my problem with five rounds of .44 mag, I am in over my head.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Jun 3, 2021 20:58:01 GMT -5
I cannot afford an M1 Carbine. I do posses a Ruger Deerfield Carbine which is kind a cross between the old M1 Carbine and the Mini-14. Chambered in .44 Remington Magnum, it holds only five rounds. If I cannot solve my problem with five rounds of .44 mag, I am in over my head. Ain't dat de troot! |
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Post by trailboss on Jun 4, 2021 18:15:00 GMT -5
www.thefreelibrary.com/The+M1+Carbine+For+SELF-DEFENSE+AND+LAW+ENFORCEMENT.-a074033105The M1 carbine got a bad rap from Korean war veterans about the "stopping power" of that round, but they were used to the M1 Garand which is not a fair comparison. Claims were made about the bullets flying off the frozen jackets of advancing Chi-coms, but in testing of said material, that has been debunked. Granted.....this article is from some years back, the ammo choices now are more potent...a great article nonetheless, and well worth the read.
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Post by Plainsman on Jun 4, 2021 19:16:51 GMT -5
I’ve read about those “tests”— made, I think by testers who weren’t even alive during the Korean war. Not that that has anything to do with it. When people praise the carbine I ask them what they have killed with it. I’ve killed with the carbine and it has a very narrow acceptibility-of-target list. That is a fact I have personally verified and don’t need “testers” to debunk for me. In addition to my own observations I have the informal testimony of Korean veterans about the effectiveness of the weapon. As a close-range home defense weapon WITH THE PROPER BULLETS I am all for it. But please save the nonsense about what a great killer it was/is for someone more gullible.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 4, 2021 20:20:45 GMT -5
As with any weapon, it depends on what application you use it for, and of course, shot placement is key. I have yet to find anyone that is willing to be shot by a .30 cal carbine bullet to test the survivability. The lowly .22 last I heard, claimed more lives than any other round domestically by the FBI. My M1 carbine sits next to the wife’s side of the bed, and she has proven herself at Gunsite as they ran her through the course. The instructor Ed Head told her her proficiency with that gun, and his knowledge of the platform, that she was good to go. www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=420 |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 4, 2021 23:16:13 GMT -5
As with any weapon, it depends on what application you use it for, and of course, shot placement is key. I have yet to find anyone that is willing to be shot by a .30 cal carbine bullet to test the survivability. The lowly .22 last I heard, claimed more lives than any other round domestically by the FBI. My M1 carbine sits next to the wife’s side of the bed, and she has proven herself at Gunsite as they ran her through the course. The instructor Ed Head told her her proficiency with that gun, and his knowledge of the platform, that she was good to go. When I had my M1 all you could get was FMJ ammo. We used to shoot oil drums full of water and it penetrated both sides. The M1 has twice the muzzle energy of a 357 and 50% more than a 44 Magnum. with the right bullets I would say that it's more than adequate for small deer at less than 100 yards. But as far as I know it is still illegal for hunting in Texas. I personally wouldn't use anything less than a 30-30, but that's just me. |
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Post by simnettpratt on Jun 5, 2021 1:59:05 GMT -5
The 30 carbine is currently legal to hunt anything with in Texas, per Texas Parks and Wildlife, and you don't need to restrict the capacity. tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/outdoor-annual/hunting/general-regulations/means-and-methodsThe pertinent info is: Game animals and non-migratory game birds may be hunted with any legal firearm, except:Rimfire Ammunition (of any caliber) may NOT be used to hunt white-tailed deer, mule deer, desert bighorn sheep, or pronghorn. Fully Automatic Firearms
Shotguns are the only legal firearm that may be used during spring Eastern turkey season. Magazine Capacity (number of shells/cartridges allowed): there are no restrictions on the number of shells or cartridges a legal firearm may hold when hunting game animals or game birds (except migratory game birds, see Legal Shotgun). |
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Post by Plainsman on Jun 5, 2021 6:47:39 GMT -5
“Use enough gun.”. —Robert Ruark.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 5, 2021 7:26:37 GMT -5
The 30 carbine is currently legal to hunt anything with in Texas, per Texas Parks and Wildlife, and you don't need to restrict the capacity. tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/outdoor-annual/hunting/general-regulations/means-and-methodsThe pertinent info is: Game animals and non-migratory game birds may be hunted with any legal firearm, except:Rimfire Ammunition (of any caliber) may NOT be used to hunt white-tailed deer, mule deer, desert bighorn sheep, or pronghorn. Fully Automatic Firearms
Shotguns are the only legal firearm that may be used during spring Eastern turkey season. Magazine Capacity (number of shells/cartridges allowed): there are no restrictions on the number of shells or cartridges a legal firearm may hold when hunting game animals or game birds (except migratory game birds, see Legal Shotgun). Well, the last time I bought a hunting license 22 and specifically the 30 Carbine were illegal. They have changed a lot since then. |
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Post by fadingdaylight on Jun 5, 2021 8:55:56 GMT -5
“Use enough gun.”. —Robert Ruark. Just wanted to "like" this twice. |
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Post by simnettpratt on Jun 5, 2021 13:16:53 GMT -5
I don't know if the current Gov made the changes, but he struck the words 'illegal knife' from the laws, so now you can carry a blade over 5½ inches, double edged, assisted opening, dagger, dirk, stiletto and poignard, there are only illegal places. Also as you know, you won't need to get permission and pay a fee to carry come September 1st.
I would also agree it's unethical not to use enough gun, and I wouldn't want to hunt deer with an M1, even if I wasn't planning on shooting further than 50 yards or so. Not sure how bowhunters would weigh in. Rsuninv used to know a guy that hunted big bears with a bow.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 5, 2021 16:29:39 GMT -5
“Use enough gun.”. —Robert Ruark. Just wanted to "like" this twice. If I ever hunt deer again it will be with my 45/70. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 5, 2021 16:35:24 GMT -5
I don't know if the current Gov made the changes, but he struck the words 'illegal knife' from the laws, so now you can carry a blade over 5½ inches, double edged, assisted opening, dagger, dirk, stiletto and poignard, there are only illegal places. Also as you know, you won't need to get permission and pay a fee to carry come September 1st. I would also agree it's unethical not to use enough gun, and I wouldn't want to hunt deer with an M1, even if I wasn't planning on shooting further than 50 yards or so. Not sure how bowhunters would weigh in. Rsuninv used to know a guy that hunted big bears with a bow. #1 Howard Hill #2 Saxton Pope #3 Ishi #4 Fred Bear. IMHO |
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Post by fadingdaylight on Jun 5, 2021 16:52:37 GMT -5
Just wanted to "like" this twice. If I ever hunt deer again it will be with my 45/70. Learning to drive where you live made me wish I could hunt deer with a Desert Eagle... |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 5, 2021 18:02:16 GMT -5
If I ever hunt deer again it will be with my 45/70. Learning to drive where you live made me wish I could hunt deer with a Desert Eagle... You can! 😁 |
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Post by simnettpratt on Jun 5, 2021 21:07:09 GMT -5
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Post by trailboss on Jun 5, 2021 21:25:20 GMT -5
Some hunters rely on too much gun and think they can take a deer at 300-400 yards because they had decent success on range day sighting it in. Less reliance on stalking their prey, and relying on that experience can often leave a wounded critter dying a slow death and a long blood trail to track. On a side note, I once talked to Tom Gresham where he had a caller that said he bagged a deer at 800 yards... Tom: how high did you have to hold over the target? Him: I didn't have to hold over at all, that .308 really shoots flat!  |
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Post by trailboss on Jun 5, 2021 21:35:08 GMT -5
The 30 carbine is currently legal to hunt anything with in Texas, per Texas Parks and Wildlife, and you don't need to restrict the capacity. That certainly makes sense with the deer being white-tail and mule deer, in addition whitetail, hogs, javelina, coyotes, and foxes can easily be taken by a competent outdoorsman with the right ammo. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 21:55:37 GMT -5
I cannot afford an M1 Carbine. I do posses a Ruger Deerfield Carbine which is kind a cross between the old M1 Carbine and the Mini-14. Chambered in .44 Remington Magnum, it holds only five rounds. If I cannot solve my problem with five rounds of .44 mag, I am in over my head. I have a Ruger Mini-14 with a folding stock. It's fun at the range. I've been thinking about picking up an AR-15, but haven't as of yet. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 5, 2021 21:58:54 GMT -5
Some hunters rely on too much gun and think they can take a deer at 300-400 yards because they had decent success on range day sighting it in. Less reliance on stalking their prey, and relying on that experience can often leave a wounded critter dying a slow death and a long blood trail to track. On a side note, I once talked to Tom Gresham where he had a caller that said he bagged a deer at 800 yards... Tom: how high did you have to hold over the target? Him: I didn't have to hold over at all, that .308 really shoots flat! Maybe he was shooting at a 45 degree angle? |
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Post by urbino on Jun 5, 2021 22:07:52 GMT -5
Had a friend in h.s. who did his deer hunting for several years with a .30 Carbine. I wasn't a deer hunter and didn't know much about it, but another guy gave him 8 kinds of hell for it.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 5, 2021 22:10:42 GMT -5
Had a friend in h.s. who did his deer hunting for several years with a .30 Carbine. I wasn't a deer hunter and didn't know much about it, but another guy gave him 8 kinds of hell for it. It's not the best choice. Especially with FMJ ammo, which was all that was available until about 2005. |
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Post by trailboss on Jun 5, 2021 22:28:34 GMT -5
Had a friend in h.s. who did his deer hunting for several years with a .30 Carbine. I wasn't a deer hunter and didn't know much about it, but another guy gave him 8 kinds of hell for it. It's not the best choice. Especially with FMJ ammo, which was all that was available until about 2005. It is possible he worked up his own hard cast loads? |
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Post by toshtego on Jun 5, 2021 22:41:39 GMT -5
As with any weapon, it depends on what application you use it for, and of course, shot placement is key. I have yet to find anyone that is willing to be shot by a .30 cal carbine bullet to test the survivability. The lowly .22 last I heard, claimed more lives than any other round domestically by the FBI. My M1 carbine sits next to the wife’s side of the bed, and she has proven herself at Gunsite as they ran her through the course. The instructor Ed Head told her her proficiency with that gun, and his knowledge of the platform, that she was good to go. When I had my M1 all you could get was FMJ ammo. We used to shoot oil drums full of water and it penetrated both sides. The M1 has twice the muzzle energy of a 357 and 50% more than a 44 Magnum. with the right bullets I would say that it's more than adequate for small deer at less than 100 yards. But as far as I know it is still illegal for hunting in Texas. I personally wouldn't use anything less than a 30-30, but that's just me. I have never seen a ballistics table which reported the .30 Carbine has having twice the muzzle energy of the .44 magnum. Rather, the reverse is what I have noted. |
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