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M1 Carbine
Jun 12, 2021 19:03:18 GMT -5
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 12, 2021 19:03:18 GMT -5
A lot of thread drift here, so I'll plop down my $0.02... The M1 carbine was good for what it was intended for in the day, basically an early PDW. Considering the prices they now command and the always suspect magazine quality, they should be relegated to Living History status. The modern AR outclasses it in every category except two: the M4 sucks at butt-stroking someone and leaves those of us who actually like wood and blue steel lacking. Still, the AR is a great weapon, hunting, and recreation choice and is satisfying enough to justify owning that every American should have at least one. Like potato chips, I can't stop at just one, but that's a whole other story! I hate the ugly AR, and I have 3 lowers and 4 uppers. I wonder what it would take a M1 work with 350 Legend? That would be a fun combination. đ |
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Post by Plainsman on Jun 12, 2021 20:52:43 GMT -5
Once again, the AR and the M1 Carbine are apples & oranges. Five years ago I camped at the same NF location as a Ruger exec and his family. We got to chatting and I pitched him the exact cartridge that Winchester later developed as their 350 Legend. I thought it should be called the 357 Patrol and based on a lightened Mini-14 action for a carbine with a 16" bbl and to weigh less than six pounds. (The M1 carbine action isn't robust enough, but nearly.) They never did anything about it. Not enough vision I reckon.  |
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Post by trailboss on Jun 12, 2021 21:14:45 GMT -5
A lot of thread drift here, so I'll plop down my $0.02... The M1 carbine was good for what it was intended for in the day, basically an early PDW. Considering the prices they now command and the always suspect magazine quality, they should be relegated to Living History status. The modern AR outclasses it in every category except two: the M4 sucks at butt-stroking someone and leaves those of us who actually like wood and blue steel lacking. Still, the AR is a great weapon, hunting, and recreation choice and is satisfying enough to justify owning that every American should have at least one. Like potato chips, I can't stop at just one, but that's a whole other story! Good to see you, David! I agree, my m4 is a superior weapon in so many ways...I have never had a magazine problem though. All of mine are USGI, even the rarely found 30 round USGI's. They have all worked 100% of the time. I know that others have had problems though. |
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Post by urbino on Jun 12, 2021 21:45:42 GMT -5
A lot of thread drift here, so I'll plop down my $0.02... The M1 carbine was good for what it was intended for in the day, basically an early PDW. Considering the prices they now command and the always suspect magazine quality, they should be relegated to Living History status. The modern AR outclasses it in every category except two: the M4 sucks at butt-stroking someone and leaves those of us who actually like wood and blue steel lacking. Still, the AR is a great weapon, hunting, and recreation choice and is satisfying enough to justify owning that every American should have at least one. Like potato chips, I can't stop at just one, but that's a whole other story! I hate the ugly AR, and I have 3 lowers and 4 uppers. I wonder what it would take a M1 work with 350 Legend? That would be a fun combination. đ The AR's looks are not its best point, for sure. Mine is strictly a concession to market reality: whatever else I may get, that one is highly likely to have plentiful parts and ammo available at least through the rest of my life. It's the centerfire companion to my 12ga. and .22 in that respect. Let's me do things like hare off and get into far less common things. |
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Post by Plainsman on Jun 13, 2021 7:00:42 GMT -5
I admire good design, in anything. Mechanically, the ARs are change-out marvels. But if you actually carry a firearm, as in the woods or on a trail, the ARs are all boat-anchors. I'm talking about everyday practicality and convenience. My UTV has a saddle scabbard on the driver-side frame. In that I keep a Winchester Trapper (16" bbl) in 357 Mag. It's my 'gun of all work.' The AR does not fit the scabbard so doesn't come along, wherever we are going. I like the 5.56/223 cartridge, but have other platforms that use it, and as a practical matter prefer them. Horses for courses.
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Post by toshtego on Jun 13, 2021 9:03:24 GMT -5
I carry a carbine in the truck not for self defense but dispatching animals hit by vehicles on the highway. Watching an elk cow thrash herself to death for thirty minutes some 21 years ago, that is the last time for me. Elk, deer, cattle, wild horses all are hit and die slow and miserable. I hear you. I've done the same. Strictly speaking, for that purpose a .22 rifle will work just fine. I don't have a .22 but I do have a 6.5 X 55. .22LR ammo is scarce here. |
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Post by toshtego on Jun 13, 2021 9:06:50 GMT -5
I never could see the practicality of the SKS. Between the folding bayonet, the stripper-clip fixed magazine, and the weight of the gun for the cartridge it fired (almost as much as a Garand)... I never had any doubt why the AK and AKM shoved it aside so quickly. 80 pound North Vietnam soldiers carried them. Can't be that bad. They have forged steel receivers and they were built to last. Sturdy, dependable, reasonably accurate until they heat up. They are heavier than they need to be. |
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Post by urbino on Jun 13, 2021 13:08:21 GMT -5
I hear you. I've done the same. Strictly speaking, for that purpose a .22 rifle will work just fine. I don't have a .22 but I do have a 6.5 X 55. .22LR ammo is scarce here. Here, too, but every kind of ammo is scarce right now. Happens every time the peckerwoods hit the panic button, like it did with Carter Hall. There's nothing to prevent that kind of short-term scarcity. My point was more that the 5.56, like the 12ga. and .22lr, is not going to disappear from the market in my lifetime, and neither will parts and ammo for it. There are just way, waaaaaay too many of them already out there for that. The 6.5x55? Not so much. But, having those other 3 gives me a reliable base from which I can buy into things like the 6.5x55. If parts and ammo for it disappear, well, that's not great, but it doesn't leave me high and dry. And if it happens, maybe the rifles will triple in value like certain tobaccos. |
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Post by Plainsman on Jun 13, 2021 13:30:36 GMT -5
My nearest Cabela's used to have "table sales" when they would spread out their (mostly) used stock of long guns on big tables and let the herds fondle them to their hearts' content. From several yards away I noticed an original Swede cavalry carbine and vectored in on it. At the last second a teen veered in ahead of me and grabbed it, so mommy could buy it for him. Drat. That was the last one I have seen in years. I later bought a virtually identical carbine from a collector, but it was an 1898 Spanish Mauser (Orvieto) carbine in 7x57. With the popularity of the various modern 6.5s there will never be a lack of projectiles. For the Swede, that only leaves cases. And with its popularity in Europe, particularly the Scandi countries, it will be many, many years before ammo is completely unavailable, if ever. Pricey, maybe, but available.
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Post by urbino on Jun 13, 2021 13:35:42 GMT -5
Yeah, I missed out on all the milsurp Mausers in 6.5. Never imagined they'd get as popular and therefore scarce as they did.
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Post by urbino on Jun 13, 2021 13:39:17 GMT -5
Oh, and I looked into reloading supplies a bit last night, too. They seem to be as scarce as factory ammo. Oddly enough, the Swede cases are available, but bullets seem to be scarce (as are dies, etc., and even reloading presses). Again, I blame the dang Creedmoor (and Grendel and PRC, etc.) for the shortage of projectiles.
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Post by toshtego on Jun 13, 2021 13:39:36 GMT -5
My nearest Cabela's used to have "table sales" when they would spread out their (mostly) used stock of long guns on big tables and let the herds fondle them to their hearts' content. From several yards away I noticed an original Swede cavalry carbine and vectored in on it. At the last second a teen veered in ahead of me and grabbed it, so mommy could buy it for him. Drat. That was the last one I have seen in years. I later bought a virtually identical carbine from a collector, but it was an 1898 Spanish Mauser (Orvieto) carbine in 7x57. With the popularity of the various modern 6.5s there will never be a lack of projectiles. For the Swede, that only leaves cases. And with its popularity in Europe, particularly the Scandi countries, it will be many, many years before ammo is completely unavailable, if ever. Pricey, maybe, but available. Yes, but you have to admire that teenager's good sense and gun knowledge. He recognized value when he saw it. |
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Post by trailboss on Jun 13, 2021 13:47:29 GMT -5
When I moved to Arizona in 05â, Big 5 had all kinds of Mauserâs for $99.00 stored in cosmoline, and (unbeknownst to a some buyers) if you asked, they would take you in the back room and they let you cherry pick. I culled a few nice ones. And, they came with a lot of accessories.
They had SKSâs for a bit more, but under threat from California politicians they dropped carrying them.
Century arms had some great deals back in the day also, In hindsight I should have shopped more.
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Post by Plainsman on Jun 13, 2021 13:58:26 GMT -5
My nearest Cabela's used to have "table sales" when they would spread out their (mostly) used stock of long guns on big tables and let the herds fondle them to their hearts' content. From several yards away I noticed an original Swede cavalry carbine and vectored in on it. At the last second a teen veered in ahead of me and grabbed it, so mommy could buy it for him. Drat. That was the last one I have seen in years. I later bought a virtually identical carbine from a collector, but it was an 1898 Spanish Mauser (Orvieto) carbine in 7x57. With the popularity of the various modern 6.5s there will never be a lack of projectiles. For the Swede, that only leaves cases. And with its popularity in Europe, particularly the Scandi countries, it will be many, many years before ammo is completely unavailable, if ever. Pricey, maybe, but available. Yes, but you have to admire that teenager's good sense and gun knowledge. He recognized value when he saw it. Yes. I admired the little bastard's knowledge and good taste all the way home. |
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Post by urbino on Jun 13, 2021 14:07:37 GMT -5
Yes, but you have to admire that teenager's good sense and gun knowledge. He recognized value when he saw it. Yes. I admired the little bastard's knowledge and good taste all the way home. Ha! |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 13, 2021 15:30:30 GMT -5
My nearest Cabela's used to have "table sales" when they would spread out their (mostly) used stock of long guns on big tables and let the herds fondle them to their hearts' content. From several yards away I noticed an original Swede cavalry carbine and vectored in on it. At the last second a teen veered in ahead of me and grabbed it, so mommy could buy it for him. Drat. That was the last one I have seen in years. I later bought a virtually identical carbine from a collector, but it was an 1898 Spanish Mauser (Orvieto) carbine in 7x57. With the popularity of the various modern 6.5s there will never be a lack of projectiles. For the Swede, that only leaves cases. And with its popularity in Europe, particularly the Scandi countries, it will be many, many years before ammo is completely unavailable, if ever. Pricey, maybe, but available. Nothing at all wrong with the 7mm Mauser. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 13, 2021 15:33:21 GMT -5
Oh, and I looked into reloading supplies a bit last night, too. They seem to be as scarce as factory ammo. Oddly enough, the Swede cases are available, but bullets seem to be scarce (as are dies, etc., and even reloading presses). Again, I blame the dang Creedmoor (and Grendel and PRC, etc.) for the shortage of projectiles. I gave away a full reloading setup a year ago just to get rid of some extra stuff. I may still have some I don't need if I ever get a chance to set up my stuff. I'll mention any extras on the forum if I do. |
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Post by toshtego on Jun 13, 2021 16:17:07 GMT -5
My nearest Cabela's used to have "table sales" when they would spread out their (mostly) used stock of long guns on big tables and let the herds fondle them to their hearts' content. From several yards away I noticed an original Swede cavalry carbine and vectored in on it. At the last second a teen veered in ahead of me and grabbed it, so mommy could buy it for him. Drat. That was the last one I have seen in years. I later bought a virtually identical carbine from a collector, but it was an 1898 Spanish Mauser (Orvieto) carbine in 7x57. With the popularity of the various modern 6.5s there will never be a lack of projectiles. For the Swede, that only leaves cases. And with its popularity in Europe, particularly the Scandi countries, it will be many, many years before ammo is completely unavailable, if ever. Pricey, maybe, but available. Nothing at all wrong with the 7mm Mauser. 7 X 57 Spanish Hornet is another great cartridge in another great gun. |
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Post by trailboss on Jun 13, 2021 16:38:40 GMT -5
Yes, but you have to admire that teenager's good sense and gun knowledge. He recognized value when he saw it. Yes. I admired the little bastard's knowledge and good taste all the way home. You went about it all wrong. You should have told the kid (whoever the hottest female pop singer at the time was). âHey, donât tell anyone but______ is over in the womenâs clothing section looking at swimwearâ. Redirect them hormones for the lad. |
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Post by Plainsman on Jun 13, 2021 19:47:40 GMT -5
Yes. What an opportunity I missed. Where were you when I needed you?
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Post by trailboss on Jun 13, 2021 19:53:57 GMT -5
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Post by Professor S. on Jun 13, 2021 22:43:35 GMT -5
80 pound North Vietnam soldiers carried them. Can't be that bad. They have forged steel receivers and they were built to last. Sturdy, dependable, reasonably accurate until they heat up. They are heavier than they need to be. True story. If you can get past the prejudice against the AK, it really is a decent rifle and no wonder it replaced the SKS. At 150 yds and inside, it's as accurate as an AR, it's far easier to run, and you don't have to stop every 30min to oil it. 7.62x39 also turns a lot of what is cover for .223 into mere concealment. |
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Post by urbino on Jun 13, 2021 23:44:57 GMT -5
Oh, and I looked into reloading supplies a bit last night, too. They seem to be as scarce as factory ammo. Oddly enough, the Swede cases are available, but bullets seem to be scarce (as are dies, etc., and even reloading presses). Again, I blame the dang Creedmoor (and Grendel and PRC, etc.) for the shortage of projectiles. I gave away a full reloading setup a year ago just to get rid of some extra stuff. I may still have some I don't need if I ever get a chance to set up my stuff. I'll mention any extras on the forum if I do. I don't really have anywhere to put such a setup, even if I could keep powder around. Don't have a bench and don't have anywhere to put a bench. I was looking more out of curiosity than anything else. |
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Post by Plainsman on Jun 14, 2021 7:36:35 GMT -5
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Post by Ronv69 on Jun 14, 2021 8:55:34 GMT -5
I gave away a full reloading setup a year ago just to get rid of some extra stuff. I may still have some I don't need if I ever get a chance to set up my stuff. I'll mention any extras on the forum if I do. I don't really have anywhere to put such a setup, even if I could keep powder around. Don't have a bench and don't have anywhere to put a bench. I was looking more out of curiosity than anything else. Well, there is always the Lee Hand Loader. It all fits in a small shoebox. |
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