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Post by urbino on Dec 24, 2022 23:16:42 GMT -5
I’m not sure you need another diesel, John.
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Post by toshtego on Dec 25, 2022 9:36:00 GMT -5
I’m not sure you need another diesel, John. That was back in the 1970s when I lived in warmer California. BTW, more recently, I have searched on line for one but never found one for sale. That does not indicate quality manufacture for longevity. |
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Post by briarbuck on Dec 27, 2022 15:40:57 GMT -5
Love my 75 Omega. The Omega trigger is good enough so that I don't have to cajun it. I ordered some old school walnut grips by a small Czech company Marshall about 8 months ago. Patently waiting their arrival. The stock rubber grips are fine. I just think these look sweet.  |
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Post by don on Dec 28, 2022 19:46:56 GMT -5
I liked the full-size CZ75B so much I wanted a carry version, a more compact and light pistol since the 75B is a very heavy hunk of steel. I considered the CZ compact but then I read in its specs that it was only 1 ounce lighter than the full size. So I bought a Turk clone with an alloy frame, which CZ does not provide on any of the 75 line. Cruder than the CZs but still a well-made pistol and very reliable, but soon after that I fell under the sway of the SIg P365XL. So many guns, so little time.  CZ makes a couple of aluminum framed compacts.  |
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Post by don on Dec 28, 2022 19:47:55 GMT -5
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Post by Plainsman on Dec 28, 2022 23:23:45 GMT -5
Didn’t have them at the time. Smart move by CZ. Thanks for that. I’ll look at it.
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Post by don on Dec 29, 2022 7:26:35 GMT -5
The PCR has been around for a while now. Introduced around 2009 if I remember correctly. There may be a fair number on the used market by now if you can’t locate a new one or want to save a few dollars. I briefly had a Tanfoglio Witness P Carry polymer that was extremely comfortable, pretty light and a good CZ variant overall.
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Post by Plainsman on Dec 29, 2022 11:33:23 GMT -5
 I went over and checked out that lightweight CZ Compact. Got my memory jogged. I rejected it b/c it was a decocker. I wanted the CZ75 feature of DA/SA and the ability to carry C&L. No one would confuse the Canik C-100 I bought as a smooth CZ, but it has turned out to be a well-made and completely reliable pistol. Takes CZ mags, is accurate and dependable. Plus, 3 ounces lighter than the CZ. One interesting “feature” of the Canik (Turkish) is that it allows the safety to be engaged when the hammer is down. Not my favorite pistol by a long shot, but a good working pistol and about half the cost of a CZ. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 29, 2022 14:07:37 GMT -5
I put in a bid on a S&W 3913. Always loved that pistol. I have no hope of actually winning it. |
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Post by Plainsman on Dec 29, 2022 14:54:52 GMT -5
Good luck.
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Post by don on Dec 29, 2022 15:17:06 GMT -5
The Turks make good firearms. I like a lot of their production.
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Post by driftingfate on Dec 29, 2022 17:56:33 GMT -5
CZ is a superb manufacturer currently hindered by a bit of a hipster reputation.
I have one of their rimfire bolt action rifles with the crazy long, European style barrel and it's my Zen Gun. No optics, just my shaky hands, bad eyes, and those iron sights reaching way out there. It helps settle the mind almost as well as a motorcycle ride.
Love my CZ-75B. Runs everything, every time. Apex Tactical was kind enough to slick up the action for me and now it's almost a sin to shoot it it's so damn smooth.
I was ::this close:: to picking up a P-01 for a carry gun but as I already have multiple pistols in that category, somehow found the composure to put off the purchase. Think I picked up spare mags, though, so you know it's coming.
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Post by urbino on Dec 29, 2022 20:43:15 GMT -5
I went over and checked out that lightweight CZ Compact. Got my memory jogged. I rejected it b/c it was a decocker. I wanted the CZ75 feature of DA/SA and the ability to carry C&L. No one would confuse the Canik C-100 I bought as a smooth CZ, but it has turned out to be a well-made and completely reliable pistol. Takes CZ mags, is accurate and dependable. Plus, 3 ounces lighter than the CZ. One interesting “feature” of the Canik (Turkish) is that it allows the safety to be engaged when the hammer is down. Not my favorite pistol by a long shot, but a good working pistol and about half the cost of a CZ. Not having spent a ton of time with mine, and not being at home where I can lay hands on it, you've got me second-guessing myself, but I'm pretty sure mine is not a decocker. I did a quick search and found I don't seem to have lost my mind (yet). This one at least says it's a manual safety for C&L carry: www.basspro.com/shop/en/cz-75-compact-semi-auto-pistolThere are so many variants of the 75 -- just counting the ones made by CZ -- it's hard for me to keep track of them all. |
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Post by don on Dec 29, 2022 20:51:58 GMT -5
The Compacts with the alloy frame appear to be the decocker variant. It may be that the steel frame Compact is the only version available with a conventional safety.
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Post by urbino on Dec 29, 2022 20:53:55 GMT -5
See what I mean?
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Post by toshtego on Dec 30, 2022 12:33:55 GMT -5
Why is the CZ 75 superior to the Beretta 92? Is it so? I do not know enough about Yer-O-Pee-An handguns to have an opinion. In any event, my fingers are not long enough to grasp a double stack magazine. Thus, I am likely to stick with a Model 1991 A1 or other 1911 variant. Not enough magazine capacity? well, carry two or three.
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Post by Plainsman on Dec 30, 2022 12:44:02 GMT -5
John, I don’t know about “superior.” I just know I much prefer the CZ75B in the hand to the Beretta and I just don’t like its looks. I’m not familiar enough with the Beretta to be able to say the CZ beats it on any particular score. Chevys and Fords?
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Post by instymp on Dec 30, 2022 17:58:52 GMT -5
John, I don’t know about “superior.” I just know I much prefer the CZ75B in the hand to the Beretta and I just don’t like its looks. I’m not familiar enough with the Beretta to be able to say the CZ beats it on any particular score. Chevys and Fords? Fords And I like the looks of CZ's better than Beretta's. Just me & both are great pistols, from what I hear. |
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Post by driftingfate on Dec 30, 2022 18:46:50 GMT -5
Why is the CZ 75 superior to the Beretta 92? Is it so? I do not know enough about Yer-O-Pee-An handguns to have an opinion. In any event, my fingers are not long enough to grasp a double stack magazine. Thus, I am likely to stick with a Model 1991 A1 or other 1911 variant. Not enough magazine capacity? well, carry two or three. Two totally different ways of approaching the same problem. I have both and the East-bloc influence is noticeable in the CZ, but, I'd put them on par as far as reliability and quality. The Beretta has the smoother DA out of the box, especially if you cheat and use a 92D mainspring. The CZ is one of the strongest actions made with the reverse rails and steel frame, though even the aluminum frame is nothing to sneeze at. A couple of shops specialize in each design but you're not going to find the variety (or hack jobs) you do with a 1911. I personally carry a Nighthawk 1911 as my daily carry and a Wilson 92G Brigadier when I'm wearing gloves. However, if someone handed me a CZ of pretty much any model, I'd be perfectly happy. |
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Post by urbino on Dec 30, 2022 18:48:45 GMT -5
Why is the CZ 75 superior to the Beretta 92? Is it so? I do not know enough about Yer-O-Pee-An handguns to have an opinion. In any event, my fingers are not long enough to grasp a double stack magazine. Thus, I am likely to stick with a Model 1991 A1 or other 1911 variant. Not enough magazine capacity? well, carry two or three. I think each has its merits. A lot of people like the open slide and non-tilting barrel of the Beretta. Other people don't care for it. Similarly, a lot of people like the internal rails/low bore axis of the CZ. Others, not so much. Both of them seem to be accurate, easy to shoot, and insanely reliable (as long as you use a decent magazine in the Beretta). Horses for courses. Strokes for folks. All that jazz. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 30, 2022 18:51:41 GMT -5
If I could afford a Nighthawk I'd probably just hire a security guard instead. 😁😉🤠
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Post by Plainsman on Dec 30, 2022 18:53:17 GMT -5
That’s why I settle the argument with a Springfield/Browning SA35— last gun design by JMB. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 30, 2022 18:54:20 GMT -5
Why is the CZ 75 superior to the Beretta 92? Is it so? I do not know enough about Yer-O-Pee-An handguns to have an opinion. In any event, my fingers are not long enough to grasp a double stack magazine. Thus, I am likely to stick with a Model 1991 A1 or other 1911 variant. Not enough magazine capacity? well, carry two or three. I think each has its merits. A lot of people like the open slide and non-tilting barrel of the Beretta. Other people don't care for it. Similarly, a lot of people like the internal rails/low bore axis of the CZ. Others, not so much. Both of them seem to be accurate, easy to shoot, and insanely reliable (as long as you use a decent magazine in the Beretta). Horses for courses. Strokes for folks. All that jazz. I like everything I know about the Beretta, but I have never shot one. I'd be happy to try one. I like the looks of the Beretta pistols in general. Only one I have is a Tomcat. Years ago you could get a 5 inch barrel for the Tomcat. That would be neat. |
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Post by urbino on Dec 30, 2022 19:14:52 GMT -5
Between the Tomcat and the Bobcat, I can never remember which is which.
Personally, I'm a fan of the Beretta APX. I bought the original version ("Gen 0" as it's now known) for about tree-fitty, and thought it was an outrageous bargain.
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 30, 2022 19:18:35 GMT -5
Tomcat is the 32.
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Post by Plainsman on Dec 30, 2022 19:21:23 GMT -5
I think each has its merits. A lot of people like the open slide and non-tilting barrel of the Beretta. Other people don't care for it. Similarly, a lot of people like the internal rails/low bore axis of the CZ. Others, not so much. Both of them seem to be accurate, easy to shoot, and insanely reliable (as long as you use a decent magazine in the Beretta). Horses for courses. Strokes for folks. All that jazz. I like everything I know about the Beretta, but I have never shot one. I'd be happy to try one. I like the looks of the Beretta pistols in general. Only one I have is a Tomcat. Years ago you could get a 5 inch barrel for the Tomcat. That would be neat. You like Beretta 22s? You’re in good company with the Mossad. |
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Post by driftingfate on Dec 30, 2022 19:24:12 GMT -5
I think each has its merits. A lot of people like the open slide and non-tilting barrel of the Beretta. Other people don't care for it. Similarly, a lot of people like the internal rails/low bore axis of the CZ. Others, not so much. Both of them seem to be accurate, easy to shoot, and insanely reliable (as long as you use a decent magazine in the Beretta). Horses for courses. Strokes for folks. All that jazz. I like everything I know about the Beretta, but I have never shot one. I'd be happy to try one. I like the looks of the Beretta pistols in general. Only one I have is a Tomcat. Years ago you could get a 5 inch barrel for the Tomcat. That would be neat. To get a 1911 to be reliable when run hard costs money, and you just have to swallow that pill. I've spent so much money on custom gunsmiths over the years that it would make drug addicts and strippers blush, so when Wilson upped their game and Nighthawk came on the scene they seemed liked bargins. Again, you have to really want to run a 1911 to justify it, though. Beretta has one of the best kept secrets when it comes to compact carry guns - the PX4 Storm Compact Carry, which is different than that PX4 Storm Compact, because Italians. It's a polymer frame DA/SA with a rotating barrel and is stronger than the 92 series. I have a few 92's, including a 92G Compact (started life as a 92FS Compact and then had a slide swap thanks to Langdon Tactical) and, as much as that's a great gun, I've recommended the PX4 Storm CC over it. If you really want to do one right, buy it from Earnest Langdon (any Beretta for that matter) and have him work his magic to create an absolutely divine trigger pull on it. Had a friend who wanted to buy one carry gun in his life and was willing to spend a touch more and went with a Langdon PX4 Storm CC. He's been perfectly happy. |
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Post by toshtego on Dec 30, 2022 19:40:29 GMT -5
If I could afford a Nighthawk I'd probably just hire a security guard instead. 😁😉🤠 I still have my State of California issued Patrolman card. No expiration or renewal date is listed. So, I could show up. I lack a uniform but have a Colt .38 Special. Perhaps something like what President Nixon wanted the White House Police to wear on duty back in 1970?  |
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Post by toshtego on Dec 30, 2022 19:52:22 GMT -5
Since I brought up the White House Police, let us remember Office Leslie Coffelt. Killed in the line of duty defending President Truman from armed assassins. Mortally wounded by a 9mm Luger he managed to shoot and kill one of the assailants before dying. He was a boyhood hero of mine. Heck, he is still a hero of this old boy.  |
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Post by Plainsman on Dec 30, 2022 20:05:31 GMT -5
He was the uncle of a boy in my Scout troop.
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