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Post by Plainsman on Dec 30, 2022 20:07:01 GMT -5
If I could afford a Nighthawk I'd probably just hire a security guard instead. đđđ€ I still have my State of California issued Patrolman card. No expiration or renewal date is listed. So, I could show up. I lack a uniform but have a Colt .38 Special. Perhaps something like what President Nixon wanted the White House Police to wear on duty back in 1970?  Patton would have approved. |
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Post by urbino on Dec 30, 2022 21:19:16 GMT -5
I like everything I know about the Beretta, but I have never shot one. I'd be happy to try one. I like the looks of the Beretta pistols in general. Only one I have is a Tomcat. Years ago you could get a 5 inch barrel for the Tomcat. That would be neat. To get a 1911 to be reliable when run hard costs money, and you just have to swallow that pill. Â I've spent so much money on custom gunsmiths over the years that it would make drug addicts and strippers blush, so when Wilson upped their game and Nighthawk came on the scene they seemed liked bargins. Â Again, you have to really want to run a 1911 to justify it, though. Beretta has one of the best kept secrets when it comes to compact carry guns - the PX4 Storm Compact Carry, which is different than that PX4 Storm Compact, because Italians. Â It's a polymer frame DA/SA with a rotating barrel and is stronger than the 92 series. Â I have a few 92's, including a 92G Compact (started life as a 92FS Compact and then had a slide swap thanks to Langdon Tactical) and, as much as that's a great gun, I've recommended the PX4 Storm CC over it. If you really want to do one right, buy it from Earnest Langdon (any Beretta for that matter) and have him work his magic to create an absolutely divine trigger pull on it. Â Had a friend who wanted to buy one carry gun in his life and was willing to spend a touch more and went with a Langdon PX4 Storm CC. Â He's been perfectly happy. Iâve got a 92FS from them. It . . . has issues. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 31, 2022 0:03:26 GMT -5
If I could afford a Nighthawk I'd probably just hire a security guard instead. đđđ€ I still have my State of California issued Patrolman card. No expiration or renewal date is listed. So, I could show up. I lack a uniform but have a Colt .38 Special. Perhaps something like what President Nixon wanted the White House Police to wear on duty back in 1970? I could pay you more than the water board. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 31, 2022 0:05:34 GMT -5
I like everything I know about the Beretta, but I have never shot one. I'd be happy to try one. I like the looks of the Beretta pistols in general. Only one I have is a Tomcat. Years ago you could get a 5 inch barrel for the Tomcat. That would be neat. You like Beretta 22s? Youâre in good company with the Mossad. It'll do the job in most circumstances. Quietly. They make an integral suppressor barrel for it. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 31, 2022 0:09:00 GMT -5
I like everything I know about the Beretta, but I have never shot one. I'd be happy to try one. I like the looks of the Beretta pistols in general. Only one I have is a Tomcat. Years ago you could get a 5 inch barrel for the Tomcat. That would be neat. To get a 1911 to be reliable when run hard costs money, and you just have to swallow that pill.  I've spent so much money on custom gunsmiths over the years that it would make drug addicts and strippers blush, so when Wilson upped their game and Nighthawk came on the scene they seemed liked bargins.  Again, you have to really want to run a 1911 to justify it, though. Beretta has one of the best kept secrets when it comes to compact carry guns - the PX4 Storm Compact Carry, which is different than that PX4 Storm Compact, because Italians.  It's a polymer frame DA/SA with a rotating barrel and is stronger than the 92 series.  I have a few 92's, including a 92G Compact (started life as a 92FS Compact and then had a slide swap thanks to Langdon Tactical) and, as much as that's a great gun, I've recommended the PX4 Storm CC over it. If you really want to do one right, buy it from Earnest Langdon (any Beretta for that matter) and have him work his magic to create an absolutely divine trigger pull on it.  Had a friend who wanted to buy one carry gun in his life and was willing to spend a touch more and went with a Langdon PX4 Storm CC.  He's been perfectly happy. I have only had 6 1911s, and they were all as dependable as a cast iron skillet. Don't know what problems you had. Maybe it's you? đđđ€ đ |
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 31, 2022 0:10:10 GMT -5
I like everything I know about the Beretta, but I have never shot one. I'd be happy to try one. I like the looks of the Beretta pistols in general. Only one I have is a Tomcat. Years ago you could get a 5 inch barrel for the Tomcat. That would be neat. You like Beretta 22s? Youâre in good company with the Mossad. Oh, I have the 32, never shot a Beretta 22. |
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Post by toshtego on Dec 31, 2022 4:06:52 GMT -5
To get a 1911 to be reliable when run hard costs money, and you just have to swallow that pill. I've spent so much money on custom gunsmiths over the years that it would make drug addicts and strippers blush, so when Wilson upped their game and Nighthawk came on the scene they seemed liked bargins. Again, you have to really want to run a 1911 to justify it, though. Beretta has one of the best kept secrets when it comes to compact carry guns - the PX4 Storm Compact Carry, which is different than that PX4 Storm Compact, because Italians. It's a polymer frame DA/SA with a rotating barrel and is stronger than the 92 series. I have a few 92's, including a 92G Compact (started life as a 92FS Compact and then had a slide swap thanks to Langdon Tactical) and, as much as that's a great gun, I've recommended the PX4 Storm CC over it. If you really want to do one right, buy it from Earnest Langdon (any Beretta for that matter) and have him work his magic to create an absolutely divine trigger pull on it. Had a friend who wanted to buy one carry gun in his life and was willing to spend a touch more and went with a Langdon PX4 Storm CC. He's been perfectly happy. I have only had 6 1911s, and they were all as dependable as a cast iron skillet. Don't know what problems you had. Maybe it's you? đđđ€ đ Could be HP ammo not feeding? That does happen with some 1911s. |
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Post by driftingfate on Dec 31, 2022 8:58:36 GMT -5
To get a 1911 to be reliable when run hard costs money, and you just have to swallow that pill. I've spent so much money on custom gunsmiths over the years that it would make drug addicts and strippers blush, so when Wilson upped their game and Nighthawk came on the scene they seemed liked bargins. Again, you have to really want to run a 1911 to justify it, though. Beretta has one of the best kept secrets when it comes to compact carry guns - the PX4 Storm Compact Carry, which is different than that PX4 Storm Compact, because Italians. It's a polymer frame DA/SA with a rotating barrel and is stronger than the 92 series. I have a few 92's, including a 92G Compact (started life as a 92FS Compact and then had a slide swap thanks to Langdon Tactical) and, as much as that's a great gun, I've recommended the PX4 Storm CC over it. If you really want to do one right, buy it from Earnest Langdon (any Beretta for that matter) and have him work his magic to create an absolutely divine trigger pull on it. Had a friend who wanted to buy one carry gun in his life and was willing to spend a touch more and went with a Langdon PX4 Storm CC. He's been perfectly happy. Iâve got a 92FS from them. It . . . has issues. That is disappointing. I've never heard of a Langdon-anything having issues, but all men are fallible and all machines have the capacity to break. That being said, Langdon has earned a reputation for high integrity and there's no reason that pistol shouldn't be one of the most reliable sidearms in the world. This assumes you've handled the Big Three culprits of semi-auto malfunctions: ammo, magazines, and lubrication, which I assume you have. Call them. They will do right by you. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 31, 2022 11:38:04 GMT -5
I have only had 6 1911s, and they were all as dependable as a cast iron skillet. Don't know what problems you had. Maybe it's you? đđđ€ đ Could be HP ammo not feeding? That does happen with some 1911s. To be honest, I've never shot many hollow points because I don't shoot a lot of people. Or any. I've shot a few HPs to test function but it's expensive to shoot 100s of rounds. I used to shoot 500 rounds a week of hardball in my 2 gold cups. When I was shooting bullseye matches I had just finished gumsmithing school and I did several trigger jobs for the other guys and slight mods to make them feed the lead wadcutters. I shot a Model 52 S&W so I didn't have any need for myself. I used their reloads for testing. |
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Post by driftingfate on Dec 31, 2022 11:51:29 GMT -5
To get a 1911 to be reliable when run hard costs money, and you just have to swallow that pill. I've spent so much money on custom gunsmiths over the years that it would make drug addicts and strippers blush, so when Wilson upped their game and Nighthawk came on the scene they seemed liked bargins. Again, you have to really want to run a 1911 to justify it, though. Beretta has one of the best kept secrets when it comes to compact carry guns - the PX4 Storm Compact Carry, which is different than that PX4 Storm Compact, because Italians. It's a polymer frame DA/SA with a rotating barrel and is stronger than the 92 series. I have a few 92's, including a 92G Compact (started life as a 92FS Compact and then had a slide swap thanks to Langdon Tactical) and, as much as that's a great gun, I've recommended the PX4 Storm CC over it. If you really want to do one right, buy it from Earnest Langdon (any Beretta for that matter) and have him work his magic to create an absolutely divine trigger pull on it. Had a friend who wanted to buy one carry gun in his life and was willing to spend a touch more and went with a Langdon PX4 Storm CC. He's been perfectly happy. I have only had 6 1911s, and they were all as dependable as a cast iron skillet. Don't know what problems you had. Maybe it's you? đđđ€ đ Over 25 1911's since the early 1990's. "Dependable" is relative. How many rounds, what kind, what kind of use, etc... Plus, I trusted Colt far, far too much. |
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Post by Plainsman on Dec 31, 2022 11:58:54 GMT -5
I got turned off Colt bigtime in the 80s when they went government wholehog and started being arrogant and dismissive toward the civilian market.
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Post by don on Dec 31, 2022 13:30:17 GMT -5
I have had three 1911s. My first was a ratty Auto Ordnance that had a lot of issues. Not a very good pistol. My second was a Springfield military model that was reliable enough but pretty mediocre as far as accuracy was concerned. My third 1911 was one of the most accurate pistols I have owned. It was an early Kimber, stainless model. I never could get used to the look of a stainless 1911 and realized after much shooting that I prefer a thicker, double stack, grip frame for my matched pair of catcherâs mitts.
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Post by Plainsman on Dec 31, 2022 14:03:43 GMT -5
I like 1911s a lot but no longer consider them practical for EDCâ with one exception: a Kimber CDP Custom Shop âcommanderâ with alloy frame. My 1911 stable rounds out with a 1917 1911 (the real thing!); a Gold Cup; a Springfield Armory Factory Comp. The 9mm, which I used to make copious fun of, is getting to dominate these days.
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Post by toshtego on Dec 31, 2022 14:59:28 GMT -5
I like 1911s a lot but no longer consider them practical for EDCâ with one exception: a Kimber CDP Custom Shop âcommanderâ with alloy frame. My 1911 stable rounds out with a 1917 1911 (the real thing!); a Gold Cup; a Springfield Armory Factory Comp. The 9mm, which I used to make copious fun of, is getting to dominate these days. I had that Kimber and loved it. Surprisingly accurate and reliable. Like a nitwit I sold it along with a Stainless Colt Commander and a 1991A1. |
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Post by Plainsman on Dec 31, 2022 15:16:43 GMT -5
When you need dough
Sumpins gotta go.
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Post by urbino on Dec 31, 2022 16:05:09 GMT -5
Iâve got a 92FS from them. It . . . has issues. That is disappointing. Â I've never heard of a Langdon-anything having issues, but all men are fallible and all machines have the capacity to break. Â That being said, Langdon has earned a reputation for high integrity and there's no reason that pistol shouldn't be one of the most reliable sidearms in the world. Â This assumes you've handled the Big Three culprits of semi-auto malfunctions: Â ammo, magazines, and lubrication, which I assume you have. Â Call them. Â They will do right by you. Magazines and trigger, actually. An empty magazine will just barely drop free. A loaded one has to be manually stripped. The problem with the trigger is that it isnât smooth, itâs dangerous. There is so little wall that even when Iâm dry firing and focusing on the trigger feel, the hammer drops unexpectedly about half the time. Havenât had time to do anything with it. |
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Post by Plainsman on Dec 31, 2022 16:47:11 GMT -5
Itâs disappointing to pay good money for a firearm right off the line and have it not perform EXACTLY as expected. Thereâs been a generasl downturn in OC in that industry in the last few years. Guns get released with ridiculous oversights. (Like sights that fall off.) Inexcusable.
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Post by urbino on Dec 31, 2022 17:03:50 GMT -5
Itâs disappointing to pay good money for a firearm right off the line and have it not perform EXACTLY as expected. Thereâs been a generasl downturn in OC in that industry in the last few years. Guns get released with ridiculous oversights. (Like sights that fall off.) Inexcusable. Even more disappointing to pay extra good money to a premium custom shop, wait 6 or 8 weeks for it, and have it arrive with such basic and obvious problems. It's a bit of a kick in the gut. |
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Post by Plainsman on Dec 31, 2022 17:38:55 GMT -5
I might be fooling myself, but I think things were better in this regard in the âold daysâ when there were gun-guys in the shop AND in the executive suite. I have had serious problems with new guns in the past, and rather than deal with the faint lights in CS chairs I write a polite letter to the CEO, registered. This has resulted in a âphone call from the president of S&W in one instance, and upper-level VIP treatment from the Ruger CEO. (Including a trip for the gun in question to their custom shop and its swift return as a completely different and radically up-graded firearm at no charge with overnight shipment paid by them, both ways.) It doesnât always happen that way, but the batting average at this point is pretty dang good.
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Post by driftingfate on Dec 31, 2022 20:29:11 GMT -5
Itâs disappointing to pay good money for a firearm right off the line and have it not perform EXACTLY as expected. Thereâs been a generasl downturn in OC in that industry in the last few years. Guns get released with ridiculous oversights. (Like sights that fall off.) Inexcusable. Even more disappointing to pay extra good money to a premium custom shop, wait 6 or 8 weeks for it, and have it arrive with such basic and obvious problems. It's a bit of a kick in the gut. Completely understandable. I've been there. I had one of the early Rifle Dynamics AK's I had to send back. Jim Fuller is The AK God and even he made a mistake once upon a time. I'm not making excuses because that gun should be 100% perfect out of the box, but, I've seen the notices where they've been hiring people to grow LTT and so Ernest doesn't have to do all of the magic himself, which concerned me a bit. He IS the magic. Growing pains? No matter what happened, I fully expect them to work with you and make things right. |
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Post by toshtego on Dec 31, 2022 21:02:40 GMT -5
I might be fooling myself, but I think things were better in this regard in the âold daysâ when there were gun-guys in the shop AND in the executive suite. I have had serious problems with new guns in the past, and rather than deal with the faint lights in CS chairs I write a polite letter to the CEO, registered. This has resulted in a âphone call from the president of S&W in one instance, and upper-level VIP treatment from the Ruger CEO. (Including a trip for the gun in question to their custom shop and its swift return as a completely different and radically up-graded firearm at no charge with overnight shipment paid by them, both ways.) It doesnât always happen that way, but the batting average at this point is pretty dang good. Some years ago, I wrote an article "How to Know You are in the Right Gun Store". Basically, it should be a smallish retail outlet. When walking in one should be met with an odor of pipe smoke and Hoppe's Gun Cleaning Solvent. There should be a counter with a rack behind it holding a few old lever action Winchesters and maybe a Savage, Krags, and a Springfield or two, dotted between Model 70s and the odd Remington. The glass case should display venerable Colts and Smiths, maybe the odd Luger war trophy. From behind a curtain pops out an old guy in a plaid or tartan flannel shirt with pipe clenched in teeth. He has a slightly annoyed look as he was busy BEFORE you got there. You get the idea. Those days and those guys are all long gone. Hence, I no longer patronize what replaced them. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 31, 2022 23:09:00 GMT -5
Even more disappointing to pay extra good money to a premium custom shop, wait 6 or 8 weeks for it, and have it arrive with such basic and obvious problems. It's a bit of a kick in the gut. Completely understandable. Â I've been there. Â I had one of the early Rifle Dynamics AK's I had to send back. Â Jim Fuller is The AK God and even he made a mistake once upon a time. I'm not making excuses because that gun should be 100% perfect out of the box, but, I've seen the notices where they've been hiring people to grow LTT and so Ernest doesn't have to do all of the magic himself, which concerned me a bit. Â He IS the magic. Â Growing pains? Â No matter what happened, I fully expect them to work with you and make things right. Most of my guns have been old guns, except for THE 2 1969 GCNM. The newest ones have been iffy. No issues with the German Sporting Guns 1911-22,they Turkish 1911 and shotgun, or the Beretta Tomcat I bought for the wife but I carry it more than she does. The Norinco SKS and the W&H Buffalo rifle have had issues. Pretty bad when you can't get a single shot rifle that's been manufactured for over a hundred years right. The Ruger Blackhawk is OK after a little work,I guess it was just barely OK before. The 1972 Star 30M and Model B are fine as well as the Tokarev T-33. I've had a couple of 1895 rifles that probably spoiled me for modern "craftsmanship". |
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 31, 2022 23:33:36 GMT -5
I have had very few issues with any of my firearms over the years and they get shot more than a little. I have had maybe four or five breakages and a couple of lemons. I bought my first gun when I was 20. 40 years later, I have owned just over 300 different firearms. I should be a gunsmith. Too old to want to be one now though. It's a waste of time and money. You can barely make minimum wage unless you market and advertise like Clark. |
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Post by don on Jan 1, 2023 0:11:38 GMT -5
I have had very few issues with any of my firearms over the years and they get shot more than a little. I have had maybe four or five breakages and a couple of lemons. I bought my first gun when I was 20. 40 years later, I have owned just over 300 different firearms. I should be a gunsmith. Too old to want to be one now though. It's a waste of time and money. You can barely make minimum wage unless you market and advertise like Clark. True |
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Post by toshtego on Jan 1, 2023 4:09:04 GMT -5
Completely understandable. I've been there. I had one of the early Rifle Dynamics AK's I had to send back. Jim Fuller is The AK God and even he made a mistake once upon a time. I'm not making excuses because that gun should be 100% perfect out of the box, but, I've seen the notices where they've been hiring people to grow LTT and so Ernest doesn't have to do all of the magic himself, which concerned me a bit. He IS the magic. Growing pains? No matter what happened, I fully expect them to work with you and make things right. Most of my guns have been old guns, except for THE 2 1969 GCNM. The newest ones have been iffy. No issues with the German Sporting Guns 1911-22,they Turkish 1911 and shotgun, or the Beretta Tomcat I bought for the wife but I carry it more than she does. The Norinco SKS and the W&H Buffalo rifle have had issues. Pretty bad when you can't get a single shot rifle that's been manufactured for over a hundred years right. The Ruger Blackhawk is OK after a little work,I guess it was just barely OK before. The 1972 Star 30M and Model B are fine as well as the Tokarev T-33. I've had a couple of 1895 rifles that probably spoiled me for modern "craftsmanship". I sure loved mine in .30-06. Would have liked one in .30-40 or .303 |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 1, 2023 11:01:01 GMT -5
Most of my guns have been old guns, except for THE 2 1969 GCNM. The newest ones have been iffy. No issues with the German Sporting Guns 1911-22,they Turkish 1911 and shotgun, or the Beretta Tomcat I bought for the wife but I carry it more than she does. The Norinco SKS and the W&H Buffalo rifle have had issues. Pretty bad when you can't get a single shot rifle that's been manufactured for over a hundred years right. The Ruger Blackhawk is OK after a little work,I guess it was just barely OK before. The 1972 Star 30M and Model B are fine as well as the Tokarev T-33. I've had a couple of 1895 rifles that probably spoiled me for modern "craftsmanship". I sure loved mine in .30-06. Would have liked one in .30-40 or .303 Mine were Austrian and Siamese. |
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Post by toshtego on Jan 1, 2023 11:31:55 GMT -5
I sure loved mine in .30-06. Would have liked one in .30-40 or .303 Mine were Austrian and Siamese. In 7 X 57? I was thinking the Winchester Model 1895. You probably meant Mauser pattern? |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 1, 2023 15:28:17 GMT -5
Mine were Austrian and Siamese. In 7 X 57? I was thinking the Winchester Model 1895. You probably meant Mauser pattern? 8x52r and 8c56r. State of the art in 1895, but somehow the obsolete 45-70 survived them. I still have my 1895 Siamese Mauser, now in 45-70. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 1, 2023 15:30:17 GMT -5
Mine were Austrian and Siamese. In 7 X 57? I was thinking the Winchester Model 1895. You probably meant Mauser pattern? I would like to have a 1895 Winchester, but alas... |
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Post by don on Jan 1, 2023 15:56:04 GMT -5
I thought you meant the âPotato Diggerâ
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