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Post by urbino on Jan 2, 2023 19:06:12 GMT -5
Back in town for a few days. Went by and checked on the apartment. They piled all my furniture and sundries in 2 giant piles. Couldn’t even see my sofa, but I know it has to be under one of them. Couple of big areas of ceiling are down, and much bigger areas are stained. Carpet is mostly dry, and there’s a dehumidifier running.
No sign any repairs have begun. No chance I’ll be back in there this week. Next week would be a stretch, too, I think, given how many apartments need major repairs.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 2, 2023 19:08:37 GMT -5
Regarding the water topic, stop trying to force the environment to your will. Certain places aren’t meant to have green grass lawns. Things like large agricultural complexes which consume huge amounts of water which does not naturally exist in the region should not be allowed. Go to the water and stop trying to bring excessive amounts where it isn’t. Yes, I live in the middle of the Great Lakes and hands off our water!!! I wonder how much of the produce you eat comes from California? |
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Post by Plainsman on Jan 2, 2023 19:22:50 GMT -5
As Euro-descended Americans we have never reconciled ourselves with, or to, nature. The first settlers considered the American woods a place of evil, where the devil lived— a place to be destroyed, as quickly as possible, its peoples along with it if possible. We have done everything possible to subvert the Natural Order and now it’s biting us on the butt and we’re whining about it. Native Americans were by no means conservationists, but they had an inate sense of balance that because of population and the prevailing ethos of exploitation we will never achieve.
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Post by toshtego on Jan 2, 2023 19:32:18 GMT -5
As Euro-descended Americans we have never reconciled ourselves with, or to, nature. The first settlers considered the American woods a place of evil, where the devil lived— a place to be destroyed, as quickly as possible, its peoples along with it if possible. We have done everything possible to subvert the Natural Order and now it’s biting us on the butt and we’re whining about it. Native Americans were by no means conservationists, but they had an inate sense of balance that because of population and the prevailing ethos of exploitation we will never achieve. I wish I could locate a USGS Periodical I have from the 1960s. It is titled " Nature to be Commanded". Among other great ideas was the detonating of an Atomic Bomb up Valdez, Alaska way. This was to clear the ice so a shipping port could be constructed. Nature as an impediment to progress. |
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Post by trailboss on Jan 2, 2023 20:00:35 GMT -5
Regarding the water topic, stop trying to force the environment to your will. Certain places aren’t meant to have green grass lawns. Things like large agricultural complexes which consume huge amounts of water which does not naturally exist in the region should not be allowed. Go to the water and stop trying to bring excessive amounts where it isn’t. Yes, I live in the middle of the Great Lakes and hands off our water!!! I wasn't suggesting pumping lake Superior to lake Mead....and I agree with not planting a lawn when you are in the desert, but transference and management of water has been in place for decades. The San Joaquin residents of California would be subject to yearly flooding rendering the place inhabitable had they not built the series of dams with controlled releases. In practice, it is no different than a rancher managing water on his property, just on a different scale. Ron has a good point, after the public works projects, (1940"s) much of California's Central valley, and southern Cal. became farmable that could produce agriculture that along with the climate is possible to manage the water and not flooding seasonally. And it provided farmable land that has fed the world, and given California the the opportunity to claim that if they were a country, they would be in 6th place economically...not sure if that is the case now. To your point in a sense... When I moved to the Santa Clara valley in the late 70's, this Kansas boy was amazed at the jet black soil, and the orchards and groves that produced some incredible produce that I have never experienced in Kansas, Artichokes, plums, apricots, strawberries, every variety of lettuce that is incredible when you get it a day after it hit the cooler! Now, most of Santa Clara valley is paved over thanks to silicon valley...just me, but Silicon valley should have been built in Winnemucca NV. Paving over that soil is a sin. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 2, 2023 20:12:35 GMT -5
The dirt in NE Texas is best suited for cattle, hay, and giant chicken farms. And mining. You can literally pick up iron ore off the ground. There is a lot of land in Texas that is excellent for farming, but can't compete with the prices of California and Florida. Harris County was the #1 in agricultural produce in the country when I was born. Now it's all concrete. Where there were dairy farms is now a 26 lane freeway.
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Post by Plainsman on Jan 2, 2023 20:53:45 GMT -5
We’re not very good at longterm planning, are we?
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Post by johnlawitzke on Jan 2, 2023 20:56:07 GMT -5
Regarding the water topic, stop trying to force the environment to your will. Certain places aren’t meant to have green grass lawns. Things like large agricultural complexes which consume huge amounts of water which does not naturally exist in the region should not be allowed. Go to the water and stop trying to bring excessive amounts where it isn’t. Yes, I live in the middle of the Great Lakes and hands off our water!!! I wasn't suggesting pumping lake Superior to lake Mead....and I agree with not planting a lawn when you are in the desert, but transference and management of water has been in place for decades. The San Joaquin residents of California would be subject to yearly flooding rendering the place inhabitable had they not built the series of dams with controlled releases. In practice, it is no different than a rancher managing water on his property, just on a different scale. Ron has a good point, after the public works projects, (1940"s) much of California's Central valley, and southern Cal. became farmable that could produce agriculture that along with the climate is possible to manage the water and not flooding seasonally. And it provided farmable land that has fed the world, and given California the the opportunity to claim that if they were a country, they would be in 6th place economically...not sure if that is the case now. To your point in a sense... When I moved to the Santa Clara valley in the late 70's, this Kansas boy was amazed at the jet black soil, and the orchards and groves that produced some incredible produce that I have never experienced in Kansas, Artichokes, plums, apricots, strawberries, every variety of lettuce that is incredible when you get it a day after it hit the cooler! Now, most of Santa Clara valley is paved over thanks to silicon valley...just me, but Silicon valley should have been built in Winnemucca NV. Paving over that soil is a sin. Having spent far too much of my life on business trips to Silly-con Valley, I wholeheartedly agree. Plus, then hopefully everything wouldn’t be crammed together in too little space. What they call a parking space there is a narrow little joke. |
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Post by toshtego on Jan 3, 2023 0:43:36 GMT -5
Regarding the water topic, stop trying to force the environment to your will. Certain places aren’t meant to have green grass lawns. Things like large agricultural complexes which consume huge amounts of water which does not naturally exist in the region should not be allowed. Go to the water and stop trying to bring excessive amounts where it isn’t. Yes, I live in the middle of the Great Lakes and hands off our water!!! I wasn't suggesting pumping lake Superior to lake Mead....and I agree with not planting a lawn when you are in the desert, but transference and management of water has been in place for decades. The San Joaquin residents of California would be subject to yearly flooding rendering the place inhabitable had they not built the series of dams with controlled releases. In practice, it is no different than a rancher managing water on his property, just on a different scale. Ron has a good point, after the public works projects, (1940"s) much of California's Central valley, and southern Cal. became farmable that could produce agriculture that along with the climate is possible to manage the water and not flooding seasonally. And it provided farmable land that has fed the world, and given California the the opportunity to claim that if they were a country, they would be in 6th place economically...not sure if that is the case now. To your point in a sense... When I moved to the Santa Clara valley in the late 70's, this Kansas boy was amazed at the jet black soil, and the orchards and groves that produced some incredible produce that I have never experienced in Kansas, Artichokes, plums, apricots, strawberries, every variety of lettuce that is incredible when you get it a day after it hit the cooler! Now, most of Santa Clara valley is paved over thanks to silicon valley...just me, but Silicon valley should have been built in Winnemucca NV. Paving over that soil is a sin. California has lost much of its prime farmland to housing development. The Central Valley and the Oxnard Plane.The highest and best land use is what it is called. Market forces at work. You remember those much touted market forces? Most attempts by the State of California to plan comprehensively went down the drain with the howls of public protest. I was there in the late 1970s and was one of those Planners. Don't bllame the government, blame demand for housing. |
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Post by toshtego on Jan 3, 2023 0:44:45 GMT -5
I wasn't suggesting pumping lake Superior to lake Mead....and I agree with not planting a lawn when you are in the desert, but transference and management of water has been in place for decades. The San Joaquin residents of California would be subject to yearly flooding rendering the place inhabitable had they not built the series of dams with controlled releases. In practice, it is no different than a rancher managing water on his property, just on a different scale. Ron has a good point, after the public works projects, (1940"s) much of California's Central valley, and southern Cal. became farmable that could produce agriculture that along with the climate is possible to manage the water and not flooding seasonally. And it provided farmable land that has fed the world, and given California the the opportunity to claim that if they were a country, they would be in 6th place economically...not sure if that is the case now. To your point in a sense... When I moved to the Santa Clara valley in the late 70's, this Kansas boy was amazed at the jet black soil, and the orchards and groves that produced some incredible produce that I have never experienced in Kansas, Artichokes, plums, apricots, strawberries, every variety of lettuce that is incredible when you get it a day after it hit the cooler! Now, most of Santa Clara valley is paved over thanks to silicon valley...just me, but Silicon valley should have been built in Winnemucca NV. Paving over that soil is a sin. Having spent far too much of my life on business trips to Silly-con Valley, I wholeheartedly agree. Plus, then hopefully everything wouldn’t be crammed together in too little space. What they call a parking space there is a narrow little joke. San Jose and the surrounding area used to be the best stone fruit orchards in the USA. So sad to lose them. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 3, 2023 1:22:59 GMT -5
I wasn't suggesting pumping lake Superior to lake Mead....and I agree with not planting a lawn when you are in the desert, but transference and management of water has been in place for decades. The San Joaquin residents of California would be subject to yearly flooding rendering the place inhabitable had they not built the series of dams with controlled releases. In practice, it is no different than a rancher managing water on his property, just on a different scale. Ron has a good point, after the public works projects, (1940"s) much of California's Central valley, and southern Cal. became farmable that could produce agriculture that along with the climate is possible to manage the water and not flooding seasonally. And it provided farmable land that has fed the world, and given California the the opportunity to claim that if they were a country, they would be in 6th place economically...not sure if that is the case now. To your point in a sense... When I moved to the Santa Clara valley in the late 70's, this Kansas boy was amazed at the jet black soil, and the orchards and groves that produced some incredible produce that I have never experienced in Kansas, Artichokes, plums, apricots, strawberries, every variety of lettuce that is incredible when you get it a day after it hit the cooler! Now, most of Santa Clara valley is paved over thanks to silicon valley...just me, but Silicon valley should have been built in Winnemucca NV. Paving over that soil is a sin. California has lost much of its prime farmland to housing development. The Central Valley and the Oxnard Plane.The highest and best land use is what it is called. Market forces at work. You remember those much touted market forces? Most attempts by the State of California to plan comprehensively went down the drain with the howls of public protest. I was there in the late 1970s and was one of those Planners. Don't bllame the government, blame demand for housing. It doesn't matter who the elected officials are in Houston. The city was founded by real estate developers and it is still run by real estate developers. It was just right at 750k people. Not so much at 2.8 million. The worst part is the surrounding countryside being all developed. |
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Post by Plainsman on Jan 3, 2023 9:21:28 GMT -5
Another 5” of that stuff overnight. Will have to plow out my road so life can go on. Don’t know how much drifting went on. That could complicate things. But what’s the fun if there are no complications, eh?
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Post by kbareit on Jan 3, 2023 11:07:31 GMT -5
Another 5” of that stuff overnight. Will have to plow out my road so life can go on. Don’t know how much drifting went on. That could complicate things. But what’s the fun if there are no complications, eh? It's supposed to hit 64 today here. It's crazy weather for NE Ohio. I'll take it though but the rain can stop any time though. |
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Post by roadsdiverged on Jan 3, 2023 11:19:04 GMT -5
2 sick boys this morning, so we're at the doctor. Fever, vomiting, runny nose... ugh...
'Tis the season!!
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 3, 2023 11:24:16 GMT -5
2 sick boys this morning, so we're at the doctor. Fever, vomiting, runny nose... ugh... 'Tis the season!! It's all part of parenting. Taking care of the little ones now will pay dividends in the future. Or you'll wish you had moved to Ukraine. You have to play the game of life to see what happens. |
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Post by roadsdiverged on Jan 3, 2023 11:38:12 GMT -5
Ukraine seems like a good move here lately. If it wasn't for these kiddos, I wouldn't be here.
Dad saves the day again. It's what I do. Even with my puke covered cape
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Post by toshtego on Jan 3, 2023 12:29:15 GMT -5
2 sick boys this morning, so we're at the doctor. Fever, vomiting, runny nose... ugh... 'Tis the season!! This is how they acquire a working immune system. So, through it all we go! |
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Post by kbareit on Jan 3, 2023 12:32:18 GMT -5
2 sick boys this morning, so we're at the doctor. Fever, vomiting, runny nose... ugh... 'Tis the season!! That sucks, can honestly say I don't miss any of that part of raising kids. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 3, 2023 12:37:01 GMT -5
2 sick boys this morning, so we're at the doctor. Fever, vomiting, runny nose... ugh... 'Tis the season!! That sucks, can honestly say I don't miss any of that part of raising kids. I think of being covered in baby juice fondly and smile, 34 years later. |
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Post by roadsdiverged on Jan 3, 2023 13:55:27 GMT -5
No complaints here other than being around more sickness at the Dr's office.
I'm a firm believer in "building up the immune system." As much crap as Alice stashes away and eats later, she most likely has super immunity to everything. The boys get upset when they have dirty hands, Alice would lick hers clean
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 3, 2023 14:47:11 GMT -5
No complaints here other than being around more sickness at the Dr's office. I'm a firm believer in "building up the immune system." As much crap as Alice stashes away and eats later, she most likely has super immunity to everything. The boys get upset when they have dirty hands, Alice would lick hers clean I remember a song about Alice, who would swallow anything. 😁 |
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Post by roadsdiverged on Jan 3, 2023 14:51:29 GMT -5
No complaints here other than being around more sickness at the Dr's office. I'm a firm believer in "building up the immune system." As much crap as Alice stashes away and eats later, she most likely has super immunity to everything. The boys get upset when they have dirty hands, Alice would lick hers clean I remember a song about Alice, who would swallow anything. 😁 HEY NOW!!! 🤣🤣🤣 She really doesn't mind...   |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 3, 2023 14:54:24 GMT -5
I remember a song about Alice, who would swallow anything. 😁 HEY NOW!!! 🤣🤣🤣 She really doesn't mind... Watch out for rabbit holes! 😁 I love the pictures of your kids, as you well know. They have so much promise. |
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Post by roadsdiverged on Jan 3, 2023 15:26:14 GMT -5
Yall have watched em grow for 3-4 years now!!
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Post by kbareit on Jan 3, 2023 16:23:20 GMT -5
That sucks, can honestly say I don't miss any of that part of raising kids. I think of being covered in baby juice fondly and smile, 34 years later. The baby juice didn't bother me it was the fear and worry when they were sick or hurt not that it ever goes away. My youngest boy climbs cell towers for a living and it adds a little anxiety to my life hoping nothing bad happens. |
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Post by oldcajun123 on Jan 3, 2023 17:16:06 GMT -5
 Yep, was driving home heard Desert Storm was on, I pulled off the road and cried like a baby, my boy in the 82nd Airborne and daughter crew Chief on a gun ship was in harms way.
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Post by Gandalf on Jan 3, 2023 17:18:09 GMT -5
It's been "warm" here in central Illinois for several days.
In the 60's today - but they just declared a tornado warning.
Not surprising. We used to get tornadoes all the time. Less so in the last several years. Anytime there is unseasonably warm air in the fall or winter - like today, it's perfect for a tornado.
Looks like it's about 5 or 10 miles north of us. A little too close for comfort.
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Post by Gandalf on Jan 3, 2023 17:25:53 GMT -5
California has lost much of its prime farmland to housing development. The Central Valley and the Oxnard Plane.The highest and best land use is what it is called. Market forces at work. You remember those much touted market forces? Most attempts by the State of California to plan comprehensively went down the drain with the howls of public protest. I was there in the late 1970s and was one of those Planners. Don't bllame the government, blame demand for housing. It doesn't matter who the elected officials are in Houston. The city was founded by real estate developers and it is still run by real estate developers. It was just right at 750k people. Not so much at 2.8 million. The worst part is the surrounding countryside being all developed. I think that once a city exceeds a population of a couple of million or so, it should be split off from the state. Have it's government separate from the state. That way they woldn't have undue influence over the rest of the state. Like the District of Columbia - have a Dictrict of Chicago, New York, Los Angles ..... Separate electorial votes and all. |
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Post by Gandalf on Jan 3, 2023 17:32:26 GMT -5
Well my shooting stats are in for 2022.
According to my database, in 2022, I fired 3356 rounds of ammo and reloaded just 1792 rounds.
No bad considering the shortages and prices these days, I guess.
My best year was 2017 when I fired 5833 rounds and reloaded 4198 - allthough in 2019 I reloaded 5445 rounds.
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Post by Plainsman on Jan 3, 2023 17:48:09 GMT -5
Got the road plowed out. Drifting wasn’t too bad, maybe 16-18” in spots. A 2-wheel drive tractor is at a real disadvantage though. A neighbor over the ridge showed up while I was working at it and helped with his outfit. Also 2WD but lots bigger than my little Ford. I sure hope there aren’t going to be too many more (any!) of these “events” this winter. It’s only 2 weeks old and we’ve already 2 of ‘em. Foolish to complain though— this is, after all, western Nebraska and that’s what happens out here.
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Yep, was driving home heard Desert Storm was on, I pulled off the road and cried like a baby, my boy in the 82nd Airborne and daughter crew Chief on a gun ship was in harms way. 
