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Post by crapgame on Mar 13, 2016 12:01:22 GMT -5
Well since my last idea went down in flames I am again going to offer an idea to the members and see what they think. I propose a pipe of the year and a tobacco of the year for the forum. Here is my idea,we select a club pipe and contact the maker about bulk discount and have the maker engrave the pipe with "The Briar Patch Pipe 2016 Year One" on the stem. We then place order and there we go! Our first pipe club pipe! en.floppypipe.it/gala-golden/3464-brebbia-gala-golden-first-981I think this would be a nice pipe..it is inexpensive and still looks nice and it a 'first "model but any one can recommend a pipe and we can see what everyone likes. For the tobacco I think we should have a blender make a unique blend just for us and pack it in a jar and lable it with our "The Briar Patch" header and then have written 2016 tobacco of the year underneath. Any thoughts or disagreements? Sparks are you in favor? Lets discuss it and see if we can make it happen!
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Post by FQ on Mar 13, 2016 12:15:08 GMT -5
I have no objection to a Pipe of the Year nor a Tobacco of the Year, in fact I'm especially fond of a Pipe of the Year idea. I've heard this is fairly common thing for pipe clubs and online communities to do.
One thing I would suggest is that if this were to be a thing, we'd take suggestions on shape and maker. When picking shape and maker, it's important to keep in mind who our members are and where they are located. One reasonably priced pipe might be almost double the cost to have sent to somewhere in Europe or vice versa. Once everyone has gotten a chance to give their input, take all that feedback and turn it into a poll. Take the top one or two and look into how much it will cost. Keep in mind that many makers would be willing to give us a group deal (if we ask nicely).
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Post by crapgame on Mar 13, 2016 12:18:57 GMT -5
I have no objection to a Pipe of the Year nor a Tobacco of the Year, in fact I'm especially fond of a Pipe of the Year idea. I've heard this is fairly common thing for pipe clubs and online communities to do. One thing I would suggest is that if this were to be a thing, we'd take suggestions on shape and maker. When picking shape and maker, it's important to keep in mind who our members are and where they are located. One reasonably priced pipe might be almost double the cost to have sent to somewhere in Europe or vice versa. Once everyone has gotten a chance to give their input, take all that feedback and turn it into a poll. Take the top one or two and look into how much it will cost. Keep in mind that many makers would be willing to give us a group deal (if we ask nicely). I want to start out with something affordable for all and if it catches on maybe have one of our resident pipe makers maybe come up with a pipe of the year or maybe a christmas pipe or something like that..
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Post by FQ on Mar 13, 2016 12:21:43 GMT -5
I'd humbly submit that affordability should always be a consideration when doing a POTY for two reasons: 1) you want as many people participating to get the best group deal 2) you want everyone to be able to enjoy the POTY (as much as possible).
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Post by crapgame on Mar 13, 2016 12:22:39 GMT -5
I'd humbly submit that affordability should always be a consideration when doing a POTY for two reasons: 1) you want as many people participating to get the best group deal 2) you want everyone to be able to enjoy the POTY (as much as possible). absolutely!
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Post by fadingdaylight on Mar 13, 2016 13:35:13 GMT -5
I support this idea. I'm thinking maybe a simple billiard to get things started.
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Post by stvalentine on Mar 13, 2016 13:53:04 GMT -5
This is especially true for tobacco. German customs charge a whopping 79% tobacco tax plus 19% VAT!
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Post by FQ on Mar 13, 2016 14:43:14 GMT -5
On thing I'd also like to point out is that, while I'd be down for doing it this year, this is a relatively new community and getting enough people together for POTY might be challenging. On the flipside, having a POTY can definitely attract new members looking for a community with their own established traditions. A POTY is a rather easy tradition to establish and it's a memorable one.
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Post by Darin on Mar 13, 2016 18:49:07 GMT -5
Great idea ... I'd be on-board and agree that choosing a fairly basic shape is a good plan.
Billiards, Canadians, Lovats, etc. will be easier to stamp as well, I would think.
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Post by papipeguy on Mar 13, 2016 19:07:16 GMT -5
Both are great ideas but a POTY specifically made for the club will still run in the range of $200-$300 based on my experience. I'm OK with that range but for others it may be a stretch. We have several pipe makers here so I hope they can speak to the topic.
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Post by crapgame on Mar 13, 2016 19:16:06 GMT -5
in another club i belonged to our first club pipe was a sanseni panel or rhodi since the club bought a bunch of them we paid 40 or 45 each pipe since they were machine made pipes..maybe we could start with something like that..
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Post by FQ on Mar 13, 2016 19:38:01 GMT -5
Both are great ideas but a POTY specifically made for the club will still run in the range of $200-$300 based on my experience. I'm OK with that range but for others it may be a stretch. We have several pipe makers here so I hope they can speak to the topic. In another pipe club I recently joined, they're doing their POTY for about $40/pipe and I believe it's an author. That said, they're a well-established group with lots of connections and back channels through which they can negotiate prices. One thing I would suggest is to take an informal poll of the the top three shapes favored by the community and the top three makers favored by the community that make those shapes. Put all that together to get a top three shape and maker suggestions from the community and contact each of the three makers to see if they're willing to do a club pipe and at what price. If none of the top three can provide us with a reasonably-priced pipe, we try again by taking suggestions.
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Post by ferncourt on Mar 13, 2016 20:18:47 GMT -5
I've bought four Pipes of the Year. Two came in at $100, one at $125, and the latest at $75.
Good luck with this. It's like herding cats.
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Post by crapgame on Mar 13, 2016 22:04:49 GMT -5
Ok I am glad that we have some traffic going on this!
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Post by Darin on Mar 13, 2016 22:06:06 GMT -5
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Post by ladybriarpipes on Mar 14, 2016 8:48:59 GMT -5
You aren't going to find any maker (maybe a factory) to engrave anything on the stem. It's super hard unless you have a laser and it's a great place for oxidation to happen. NOT a good idea. Again, unless the maker has a laser engraver putting all that text on the briar is going to be a huge pain and a custom stamp starts at $85 and goes up from there. My suggestions would be to abbreviate it to "BP 2016"....nice and easy to stamp with the single letter stamps most makers have in a drawer somewhere!
As to shape, stick with something classic that has a huge appeal and can be easily and quickly made. A billiard, rhodesian, brandy, ect. Either bent or straight. NO diamond shanks and no adornments as these add time and money to the pipe. Also, a sandblast finish is going to be cheaper for a club pipe. Finishing a smooth involves a lot more time to finish and will make the pipe more expensive.
Mark Tinsky is a good choice. The boys over at Smoker's Haven have a great price on an author going right now. I'm sure Premal would entertain the idea of extending it for this POTY.(can't hurt to ask) There are American Pipemakers that will make the pipe you want for right at or just under $200. But DO NOT string them along. Go to them with what you want and how many you think will be ordered.
Just my 2 cents.
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Post by crapgame on Mar 14, 2016 9:11:09 GMT -5
how about the shank?
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Post by ladybriarpipes on Mar 14, 2016 9:24:57 GMT -5
For the stamp? Yes, that's where most makers will put it. But adding "The Briar Patch Pipe 2016 Year One" to a shank isn't as easy as it sounds. That's why I suggested "BP 2016" be used instead. Club pipes become a real pain for a maker to stamp. Not only are they putting their nomenclature in the usual spot they are adding whatever the club stamp is (most pipe clubs have a stamp they send to whatever maker it is that year).
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Post by sparks on Mar 14, 2016 11:26:50 GMT -5
Ok... time for me to interject.
I'm all for this idea, however, I like Jamie's suggestion that we set some expectations on WHEN to do this. Being that we are new, I think it might be nice to set our sights on having a Christmas pipe made. That will give us some time under our belts, plus allow us to get whatever influx of membership we may get from the shows this year. Plenty of time to work out details, identify some makers and see what we can get going.
Scottie has made some great suggestions as well. Kaywoodie is also an option. Bill is currently making a POY for another forum I am a member at. Below $100 with shipping and it's a classic American Brand. Something to think about.
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Post by crapgame on Mar 14, 2016 12:32:50 GMT -5
Ok... time for me to interject. I'm all for this idea, however, I like Jamie's suggestion that we set some expectations on WHEN to do this. Being that we are new, I think it might be nice to set our sights on having a Christmas pipe made. That will give us some time under our belts, plus allow us to get whatever influx of membership we may get from the shows this year. Plenty of time to work out details, identify some makers and see what we can get going. Scottie has made some great suggestions as well. Kaywoodie is also an option. Bill is currently making a POY for another forum I am a member at. Below $100 with shipping and it's a classic American Brand. Something to think about. Perfect! something well priced and a good start to a hopefully long tradition!
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Post by crapgame on Mar 14, 2016 12:34:23 GMT -5
For the stamp? Yes, that's where most makers will put it. But adding "The Briar Patch Pipe 2016 Year One" to a shank isn't as easy as it sounds. That's why I suggested "BP 2016" be used instead. Club pipes become a real pain for a maker to stamp. Not only are they putting their nomenclature in the usual spot they are adding whatever the club stamp is (most pipe clubs have a stamp they send to whatever maker it is that year). I love the club stamp!!! That is the topic of a new thread!
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Post by ckr on Mar 14, 2016 13:47:50 GMT -5
I realize people want a good price but remember pipe makers are not among the 1% and ten, twenty or thirty pipes is ten, twenty or thirty times the effort. Anyone here want to work 40 and get paid for 30? I didn't think so.
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Post by framitz on Mar 14, 2016 14:00:08 GMT -5
I would prefer a good 200 pipe than another basket pipe and no Christmas tie in. Shel
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Post by fadingdaylight on Mar 14, 2016 16:54:39 GMT -5
I searched the internet for twenty minutes looking for a picture of a caveman using his club as a pipe to post here, but turned up nothing.
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Post by herbinedave on Mar 14, 2016 17:21:04 GMT -5
A pipe maker will work with this project I am sure. The kicker is their time is worth money and pipes are priced accordingly. Not being a grump here but for 100 bucks, that is what your gonna get. Something basic with no flair. Also the stamps are gonna be one shot so that will be in the price. Lots of things to consider,
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 18:19:23 GMT -5
Ok, guys and gals I like the idea of having a club pipe. But, the discussion of the price it knocks me out of the buy. Think about this option, many clubs has a club pipe why not look at about her route. Why, not consider a unique bowl for either a Falcon or a Viking. If I could find a Falcon bowl made from Osage that would be awesome. If the above doesn't appeal to you guys why not a crafted Tamp? Just a couple of thoughts. No harm no foul.
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Post by ferncourt on Mar 14, 2016 19:39:27 GMT -5
This is the pipe Justin mentioned from Kaywoodie that is being done for another forum at its five year anniversary. It was posted on the other forum for perusal. It doesn't yet have the Kaywoodie logo nor the stamp. I cannot say whether the owner will be willing to do it for this forum or not. As Justin said, it's priced under a $100 and has a push stem, meaning no stinger. The owner is doing these pipes on the weekends over several weeks as his schedule is quite hectic. I am unsure if he would be willing to take on another project, which I am thinking could be quite large for a group this size. The other forum has a membership limit of no more than 40. About one in two signed on for an anniversary pipe.
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Post by pipebaum81 on Mar 14, 2016 21:19:16 GMT -5
Like all good plans there are high hopes and a few realities. Someone should be assigned the task of the "doing" and take a lead role. Someone should help support. Others should have good ideas with no personal buy in to any of them being actually implemented and everyone give their money when due.
I for one tentatively support this idea!
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Post by FQ on Mar 14, 2016 22:12:28 GMT -5
Like all good plans there are high hopes and a few realities. Someone should be assigned the task of the "doing" and take a lead role. Someone should help support. Others should have good ideas with no personal buy in to any of them being actually implemented and everyone give their money when due. Agreed, too many cooks and all that. I'm also opposed to a "Christmas pipe" only so far as it connotes a celebration of specific holiday which I don't celebrate (sorry, buzzkill, I know). However, we could definitely make this a more long-term project since I imagine the first few years of trying this will be a bit of a learning curve. We might also consider simply designating a certain season as our annual POTY season. As this would be our first year, we do have one advantage: right now several clubs are contacting makers for their POTYs and making plans. We'll be lucky if we even start contacting makers by the time other clubs are receiving their POTYs (at least, that's how long I envision it taking). This could mean that we would be able to have a better chance of getting the maker we'd like because they're not currently fulfilling a club order. Mike, you were the one who brought up this idea so I would not want to rob you of the opportunity, but if you would rather not and no one objects I'd like to volunteer to lead this project.
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Post by Darin on Mar 14, 2016 23:11:55 GMT -5
Call it a "Winter Pipe", "Solstice Pipe", etc ... let's not get hung-up on semantics.
Also, as John pointed out, perhaps a Tamper (or Cob Pipe, even) would be a good first round to be as inclusive as possible.
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