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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 18:38:57 GMT -5
Hell, I went from a single Missouri Pride to one of each of the nosewarmers then to 2 grab bags then to several others in less than a year. All I need the bent Freehand, bent Spindle and the bent Mark Twain to complete my set of bent MM hardwood pluged pipes. Also have the complete Cobbit set.
Yes they are addictive, so be prepared to get another rack or 2.
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Post by crapgame on Mar 15, 2016 18:40:55 GMT -5
Damn you all!!!! Just kidding I am up to the challenge!
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Post by ferncourt on Mar 15, 2016 20:11:40 GMT -5
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Post by FQ on Mar 15, 2016 20:23:43 GMT -5
It sounds like there's a general agreement with the idea of doing a cob with a forever stem which we might be able to have stamped. I have never tried a cob and in fact heard some rather negative things about them, but I'm not quite buying into the hate as of yet. Briefly looking over the options, I'm quite fond of the look of the Diplomat (I may just have to get one regardless of what we decide to do for ourselves as a group). Is there anyone who would be strongly opposed to a cob? If so, for what reason? Yeah, it doesn't have to be labeled with a specific holiday, it was more a timing suggestion. I think there are a lot of options available to us, so it's a matter of making some decisions. Fair enough, just wanted to let folks know there's someone out there who would prefer we didn't make a Christmas pipe proper. I can tell you from experience that having it be a forum wide, democratic process will be a disaster. There need to be a couple of people that narrow down some selections and then present it to the group. As this will need to be a forum endorsed process, I will want to be involved in the final product that gets offered. That being said, I certainly don't have time to run it. I'm accustomed to big messy democratic processes, both professionally and academically so there's nothing frightening about it to me. That said, I think there's wisdom in your suggestion. |
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Post by sparks on Mar 15, 2016 20:39:24 GMT -5
So... I got a little info. First... Dave has offered to reach out to Missouri Meerschaum for us. I'm quite fine with Dave being the point guy on getting information. If he is OK with it, I suggest he contact them, get the info and then share it back here.
Cob Nation did a POY pipe and worked directly with Phil Morgan, who is the General Manager of MM. I would advise reaching out to him and letting him know what we want to do. They were able to create a plug with the club logo on the bottom of the bowl as well as engrave the shank. They originally reached out to Phil back in September, so it took a few months to get things all organized and the pipes produced. If we started this process officially in a month or so, the timing might work perfect.
We will have to see if there is a minimum or if they can be flexible for us. I will interject 2 things on a personal level. I would prefer we stick with a straight pipe, and not something too large. Other than that... go to town.
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Post by crapgame on Mar 15, 2016 21:22:26 GMT -5
sounds like we have agreed on the cob now for the shape..i have no preference so i will go for what ghe club decides
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Post by herbinedave on Mar 15, 2016 21:27:01 GMT -5
So... I got a little info. First... Dave has offered to reach out to Missouri Meerschaum for us. I'm quite fine with Dave being the point guy on getting information. If he is OK with it, I suggest he contact them, get the info and then share it back here. Cob Nation did a POY pipe and worked directly with Phil Morgan, who is the General Manager of MM. I would advise reaching out to him and letting him know what we want to do. They were able to create a plug with the club logo on the bottom of the bowl as well as engrave the shank. They originally reached out to Phil back in September, so it took a few months to get things all organized and the pipes produced. If we started this process officially in a month or so, the timing might work perfect. We will have to see if there is a minimum or if they can be flexible for us. I will interject 2 things on a personal level. I would prefer we stick with a straight pipe, and not something too large. Other than that... go to town. Thanks for your vote of confidence Justin. I will contact MM tomorrow and see what I am able to find out. There is no need to make this a tedious and drawn out affair. The 3 cobs I have chosen are 3 of the popular ones. Any thoughts or questions please PM me. I am putting up pics of cobs which I think would make great POY: 1. Mark Twain  2. Great Dane  3. Country Gentlemen  |
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Post by crapgame on Mar 15, 2016 21:39:18 GMT -5
Ok so are going to get custom forever stems?
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Post by ferncourt on Mar 15, 2016 21:42:56 GMT -5
Dave: You seem to be the one for this. Thanks. BTW: You mislabeled the Great Dane. I have both Great Danes, the spool and spindle.
Justin: Thanks for simplifying this. Having been simply on the consumer end of this with several PoYs, it can become fairly tiresome.
Jamie: Cobs supposedly have no break-in. Not true. The first few smokes are not great. Cake isn't important like it is in a briar, but the shank comes into the bowl and needs to be seasoned with a few smokes. After that, great.
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Post by sparks on Mar 15, 2016 21:54:31 GMT -5
Let's keep in mind, custom forever stems would add about $25 on to the price. I would almost think it best to let individuals get them if they want them. I would be partial to the Mark Twain I guess, though the Country G isn't bad either. Wonder if they could do a longer shank?  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 22:17:35 GMT -5
Dave ask MM about the freehand stem. MM sells them for $8.00 each.And they are a vulcanite stem. Where a Forever stem is $22.00 each. Of the three bowls I would choose the Mark Twain.
Ok I'll shut up and go away now.
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Post by Darin on Mar 15, 2016 22:25:53 GMT -5
Agreed! Also, Burley blends go best in a new cob ... which makes it even more odd that Justin doesn't smoke these!  |
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Post by herbinedave on Mar 15, 2016 22:31:11 GMT -5
I will contact Mr. Phil Morgan tomorrow. I will ask about the freehand stem and a longer shank. I wanna keep this hopefully in a price point of between $10.00 and $15.00 a pipe. Hopefully they will be able to do the wooden plug and add all stamping there and keep at a reasonable price. I am sure there is a minimum for this all to be done. I will just play all this by ear and see what happens. But, I am sure a of happy outcome for all of us on the forum.
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Post by buroak on Mar 15, 2016 23:41:54 GMT -5
I am late to the party, but I want to say that I like the custom cob idea. The custom stamped Forever Stem seems an unnecessary expense, especially considering that the stamp will likely be worn away with time and upkeep. Since any holiday tie-in is a non-starter, how about calling it an Anniversary pipe in 2017?
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Post by FQ on Mar 16, 2016 0:22:23 GMT -5
The Great Dane and the Country Gentlemen are both agreeable to me.
Before everyone gets swept up in the excitement, can we slow down a bit? Give it some time for others to comment. We've moved from saying, "should we do this?" to "which one should we do?" so quickly my concern is that people won't have a chance to comment simply because they haven't logged in in a couple of days.
I'm also in agreement that the forever stem shouldn't be a mandatory thing, but rather an option we'd point out for those who aren't aware.
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Post by crapgame on Mar 16, 2016 0:26:35 GMT -5
agreed! i am willing to go with any pipe!
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Post by FQ on Mar 16, 2016 0:30:39 GMT -5
Also, what is a plug? When I hear plug I think of tobacco so I'm unfamiliar with what a plug is in relation to the pipe itself.
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Post by herbinedave on Mar 16, 2016 0:34:34 GMT -5
Also, what is a plug? When I hear plug I think of tobacco so I'm unfamiliar with what a plug is in relation to the pipe itself. A round piece of wood shoved into the bottom of the cob. Makes for a more sturdy pipe. |
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Post by stvalentine on Mar 16, 2016 6:30:56 GMT -5
Hi Jamie, the negative comments are coming mainly from smokers who believe that a "proper" pipe needs to be from an artisan and in the +200.00 Dollar range. In German pipe smoking forums peoplr claim that a corn cob needs to be discarded after as few as five smokes! Well, if you would never touch a briar pipe for the rest of your life you could be a happy smoker just with corn cobs. Everything else is pipe-snobism! Regarding the shape I would love the Mark Twain too. I already have the Country Gentleman and it is a bit on the heavy side. Spool-shapes are not my pair of shoes but of course I will go with the flow. |
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Post by sparks on Mar 16, 2016 6:32:17 GMT -5
Also, what is a plug? When I hear plug I think of tobacco so I'm unfamiliar with what a plug is in relation to the pipe itself. Yep, Dave nailed it. What is cool is that Cob Nation had the plugs emblazoned with their logo. I believe MM handled that piece of it as well, they just needed to provide the art work. As far as speed, I think we are just in the discovery phase. Once Dave gets all the information in regards to price, we can present some real options to the members and leave it open for discussion for an extended period. As I said, I'm more inclined to narrow down some choices right up front instead of saying "Hey guys, pick one you like". You will have as many opinions as you have members and that leads to never getting anything accomplished. No worries here. I think we would be looking at closer to the end of the year before we could actually have something in hand. Plenty of time. Carry on. |
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Post by papipeguy on Mar 16, 2016 6:42:02 GMT -5
A cob would not be my choice but if that's the way the group wants to go then I'm in. I'm surprised that Frank didn't recommend a Falcon with an engraved bowl.
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Post by stvalentine on Mar 16, 2016 7:12:11 GMT -5
Hahaha John, I am sure we could more easily settle on a cob than convince everyone how nice Falcons are. I love custom bowls for Falcon but I suspect that it would be just a very small group buy then....  |
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Post by crapgame on Mar 16, 2016 7:15:14 GMT -5
a falcon would have been nice..dont have one of those either!
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Post by stvalentine on Mar 16, 2016 7:17:24 GMT -5
...ok, the next club pipe in 2017 is a Falcon then! |
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Post by papipeguy on Mar 16, 2016 7:40:06 GMT -5
LOL, I knew you would come through, Frank. It may be a very workable idea. Just offering a bowl with the club logo would work for Falcon owners and others just have to get the stem of their choice.
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Post by crapgame on Mar 16, 2016 8:33:53 GMT -5
I will agree to that!
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Post by fadingdaylight on Mar 16, 2016 8:49:04 GMT -5
Plus that gives those of us without one a year and some change to get one. Works for me.
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Post by stvalentine on Mar 16, 2016 15:11:54 GMT -5
I think we should stick with the corn cob for a first club pipe. Although I am the biggest fan of Falcons they are not everybodys darling for sure.
A standard Falcon bowl, even if we have it laser-engraved would be not much of a club pipe and getting a custom bowl is not only expensive but not every maker
is capable of cutting the needed four start thread into their bowls. Most of them use a just kind of friction fit. Although I know a maker in France who makes
exceptionally nice custom bowls, a complete pipe might easily get up to $100.00 or more.
With a cob even customizing is not too expensive (think of a Forever stem, a longer shank, colourful stains, etc....) and we can keep the complete pipe under
$50.00 with no problems.
I truly believe that a Falcon is just not the right thing for a club pipe. But if we get together a small group of Falcon fans, a special Falcon can be done anytime.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2016 17:17:29 GMT -5
Thought you might want to see the POTY from Corn Cob Nation.  |
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Post by stvalentine on Mar 16, 2016 17:26:19 GMT -5
Perfect! I like this corn cob very much.
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