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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 16, 2018 19:01:23 GMT -5
So, my uncle is giving me his old lathe. No great shakes, but it's free. It's a wood lathe, and while I know most modern pipe makers use metal lathes, I figure the steep learning curve will help me out in the long run - until I can afford a decent metal lathe. My birthday is coming up, so I'll be getting a SuperNova 2 chuck with some different jaws, a keyless Jacobs chuck for the tailstock, the Beall buffing system, a slow speed bench grinder for sharpening, And some sanding discs for my regular one-speed grinder. I already have a decent Grizzly bandsaw. Any other must-haves? I've been on the pipemakersforum, but I'm sacred to ask questions there...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 19:08:11 GMT -5
That is way cool! All you need now is some briar and you're ready to rock and roll Oh, don't be afraid to ask questions. There's a lot of knowledge over there that can help you...
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 16, 2018 19:23:23 GMT -5
That is way cool! All you need now is some briar and you're ready to rock and roll Oh, don't be afraid to ask questions. There's a lot of knowledge over there that can help you... I'm gonna start out with stuff like Maple and cherry, before I attempt briar. When I feel comfortable enough with those types of woods, I'll get some briar. I don't want to start with pre-drilled blocks or stems either. I figure, "how am I gonna learn, if I don't start clean?". I learn by mistakes, sort of unfortunately, so there's no better way for me to go than a blank slate Been watching a lot of videos, and reading the PMF forum. Sometimes I have a knack for something. Excited to see if this is one of them somethings.
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Post by roadsdiverged on Aug 16, 2018 19:28:47 GMT -5
Nice! A lathe will be my next purchase. Not just for pipes and tampers, but some projects I'm working on.
You'll get plenty of responses here from others with A LOT of experience in no time. Some of my restoration posts filled me with more knowledge than I first expected... now i just need to get back on those projects as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 19:31:03 GMT -5
Good for you!! First learn how to mount wood to the chuck properly. Find a few pieces of local dry wood and turn a bowl or three!! Before you spend money on good briar use other woods that are readily available to you for free. Good luck and have fun👍👍
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Post by Wolfman on Aug 16, 2018 19:43:59 GMT -5
That’s awesome! I’m looking forward to seeing your progress. Please keep us informed.
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Post by McWiggins on Aug 16, 2018 20:36:29 GMT -5
I cannot wait to see what you make!
I'm just going to gloat a bit but my friend here does great things when he puts his mind on something and his hands get to work. From cooking to welding and more. I can see some good things coming out of this new tool and his imagination.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 20:41:11 GMT -5
That is way cool! All you need now is some briar and you're ready to rock and roll Oh, don't be afraid to ask questions. There's a lot of knowledge over there that can help you... I'm gonna start out with stuff like Maple and cherry, before I attempt briar. When I feel comfortable enough with those types of woods, I'll get some briar. I don't want to start with pre-drilled blocks or stems either. I figure, "how am I gonna learn, if I don't start clean?". I learn by mistakes, sort of unfortunately, so there's no better way for me to go than a blank slate Been watching a lot of videos, and reading the PMF forum. Sometimes I have a knack for something. Excited to see if this is one of them somethings. Well, we are all excited and patiently awaiting for you to start turning-out those briars, along with "The Briar Patch" super-dee-duper discount code Enjoy
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 20:47:57 GMT -5
You may want to invest in some good skews and gouges. The gouges for spindle turning would be the best. Also you may want to consider 1/4", 3/8", 1/2". Turn some simple spindle items to learn the tools. Then turn several bowls. Note: each wood has it own difficulty. Research the density of woods compared them to Briar.
Important thing wear your safety gear.
Have fun
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 16, 2018 21:02:03 GMT -5
You may want to invest in some good skews and gouges. The gouges for spindle turning would be the best. Also you may want to consider 1/4", 3/8", 1/2". Turn some simple spindle items to learn the tools. Then turn several bowls. Note: each wood has it own difficulty. Research the density of woods compared them to Briar. Important thing wear your safety gear. Have fun I'm going to start with a chisel set that my uncle recommended. It has skews and gouges. I'll get more if I find I need smaller ones. I also need some spoon bits, tapers, a chainsaw file, and some more Dremel sanding bits. I thought I might try to make my own spoon bits out of some old spade bits. We'll see. I'm going to spend some time in my uncle's shop, with him guiding me, so I can learn the basics.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 21:06:03 GMT -5
Not just eye goggles either....don’t go near a lathe without a full face protective shield 👍
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Post by slowroll on Aug 16, 2018 22:37:00 GMT -5
You'll definately need some smaller turning chisels, about 3/8 to 1/2 inch wide. Making round nose drill bits is quite simple on the grinder, just use machinists blue or a black marker to color the spade bit, and draw the outline on the bit with a scribe with a circle template. Don't forget to grind relief into the cutting edge. Actual angle isn't too critical, as long as it's even. BTW, I don't like keyless chucks for pipe work. Too easy to grab in the wood and start spinning in the chuck. Also, when you get to the briar, go easy on the chisel pressure. Briar doesn't turn like wood, it turns more like cast aluminum.
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Aug 16, 2018 22:37:02 GMT -5
Not just eye goggles either....don’t go near a lathe without a full face protective shield 👍 NO GLOVES!
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 16, 2018 22:53:44 GMT -5
You'll definately need some smaller turning chisels, about 3/8 to 1/2 inch wide. Making round nose drill bits is quite simple on the grinder, just use machinists blue or a black marker to color the spade bit, and draw the outline on the bit with a scribe with a circle template. Don't forget to grind relief into the cutting edge. Actual angle isn't too critical, as long as it's even. BTW, I don't like keyless chucks for pipe work. Too easy to grab in the wood and start spinning in the chuck. Also, when you get to the briar, go easy on the chisel pressure. Briar doesn't turn like wood, it turns more like cast aluminum. I was originally going for a keyed chuck, but my uncle talked me into the keyless. He doesn't make pipes though. I'll take your advice. And, since two of you recommended it, I'll also get the smaller chisels. I have some pieces of black walnut which seem to be pretty dense, so I'll work with that too. Thanks for all the advice!
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Post by trailboss on Aug 16, 2018 23:12:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2018 23:18:26 GMT -5
Not just eye goggles either....don’t go near a lathe without a full face protective shield 👍 NO GLOVES! Believe it or not, once your good on a wood lathe you need to feel the tool in your hand and create your Art. Gloves are not used once you’ve practiced a few times, you need to feel the tools chiseling the wood a little at a time. I’ve always used a full fold down face mask but never wore gloves. Watch this short video with a home made lathe, this gentleman is well known and respected on YouTube. You have MANY well known “ wood turners “ posting videos on YouTube....take advantage and learn from the best.......Carl Jacobson. The gentleman in the video I posted is also brilliant on ALL of his projects on YouTube...enjoy from two of the best👍
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Aug 16, 2018 23:27:59 GMT -5
I was referring to not getting his hand caught between the tool rest and the spinning stock a glove just increases the risk of injury.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 16, 2018 23:30:28 GMT -5
I've been on there like white on rice. Intimidating place, that is. One guy wanted to just crawl in a hole and die because his pipe wasn't perfect.
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Post by trailboss on Aug 16, 2018 23:34:54 GMT -5
I've been on there like white on rice. Intimidating place, that is. One guy wanted to just crawl in a hole and die because his pipe wasn't perfect. I hear that once you are recognized as being serious, the mood lightens, and people are helpful...tough, they don't pull punches but helpful....I cannot say from personal experience, but from a friend.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 16, 2018 23:40:09 GMT -5
I've been on there like white on rice. Intimidating place, that is. One guy wanted to just crawl in a hole and die because his pipe wasn't perfect. I hear that once you are recognized as being serious, the mood lightens, and people are helpful...tough, they don't pull punches but helpful....I cannot say from personal experience, but from a friend. Yeah, there's a lot of stickies warning you about brutal honesty. I can dig that. Why waste their time? I don't plan on posting anything until I'm way past the newb stuff. As they say, "read the forum"...
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 17, 2018 3:19:03 GMT -5
Congratulations on your new venture. I'd love to try that out myself, and my dad had lathe but it's not working. You've gotta show us, step by step, some of your creations. Even from a beginner's perspective it might help us (me) and you to document what you did and what you'd do differently.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 4:41:43 GMT -5
I was referring to not getting his hand caught between the tool rest and the spinning stock a glove just increases the risk of injury. Misunderstood you, sorry👍 Gloves do increase that risk!!
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Post by Robert Perkins on Aug 17, 2018 6:34:33 GMT -5
So, my uncle is giving me his old lathe. No great shakes, but it's free. It's a wood lathe, and while I know most modern pipe makers use metal lathes, I figure the steep learning curve will help me out in the long run - until I can afford a decent metal lathe. My birthday is coming up, so I'll be getting a SuperNova 2 chuck with some different jaws, a keyless Jacobs chuck for the tailstock, the Beall buffing system, a slow speed bench grinder for sharpening, And some sanding discs for my regular one-speed grinder. I already have a decent Grizzly bandsaw. Any other must-haves? I've been on the pipemakersforum, but I'm sacred to ask questions there... Nothing wrong with a wood lathe. I made pipes on a wood lathe for two years before I got a metal lathe. Let's see must-haves ... as far as chisels are concerned, get one 3/8-ish inch skew chisel and one 3/8-ish inch round scraper like this one.  Scrapers will remove material just as fast as a gouge, but they never, ever get away from you like a gouge tends to do. These are good for contours, but I drill my tobacco chambers with a 5/8 inch round-nose drill bit and then I use my 3/8 inch round scraper to open the tobacco chamber to whatever size and profile I want. Don't try that with a gouge. Scrapers are also much easier to sharpen than a gouge, as well. And for smaller contours, like little ogee curves on a stem or whatever, get a smaller round scraper (or make one from an old drill bit or file or whatever hardened steel you have laying around.) Let's see ... well, obviously, you're going to need a lot of other stuff: a "live center" if you wanna make stems with integral (non-glue-in) tenons, a 2/4 jaw independent chuck for blocks and odd-shaped stuff, a 3-jaw scroll chuck for stems and other round stuff, etc. As far as asking questions at PMF, yeah, I think you've got the right idea. Read, read, read there, and only ask questions when you can't find the answer any other way. But don't hesitate to ask when you find guys -- like yours truly -- who like to be helpful.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 17, 2018 6:48:25 GMT -5
Robert Perkins, stress some great advice. It's good of you to share it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 6:56:59 GMT -5
Robert Perkins , stress some great advice. It's good of you to share it. He’s a nice guy👍👍 Plus he makes some outstanding pipes at very reasonable prices!! Hope he reaches his 100 post very soon so everyone here gets to know him and see’s his craft.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 17, 2018 7:09:25 GMT -5
Robert Perkins , that's some great advice. It's good of you to share it. He’s a nice guy👍👍 Plus he makes some outstanding pipes at very reasonable prices!! Hope he reaches his 100 post very soon so everyone here gets to know him and see’s his craft. won't be long now. P.S. I've corrected the autocorrect.
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Post by slowroll on Aug 17, 2018 9:23:04 GMT -5
You mentioned getting a supernova chuck and different jaws. The different set is the tower jaws I hope? Their standard jaws are no good for pipe making, not enough grip surface, especially since you take off 2 of the jaws to get a 2-jaw.
Once you get to working some briar blocks, in order to securely hold them in the chuck, it helps a lot to glue a piece of scrap wood (anything) to the bottom (under what will be the bowl area). Reason is because when turning the shank, the block isn't centered in the chuck, and can easily slip if no added grip surface. Glue it on, then trim it flush with the block sides with a table saw, or bandsaw if no tablesaw.
Robert Perkins is right, gouges have no use in pipe making, just get you in trouble.
For finish work, rig a keyless chuck (here they're good) onto a benchgrinddr shaft to hold 5 or 6 inch sanding padss. Since you need to use grits from about 50 to 400, ya need a lot of pads, so the chuck helps that. Using the Velcro backed sanding sheets helps too. Abralon is a great type of sanding disk to look into.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 17, 2018 9:38:37 GMT -5
You mentioned getting a supernova chuck and different jaws. The different set is the tower jaws I hope? Their standard jaws are no good for pipe making, not enough grip surface, especially since you take off 2 of the jaws to get a 2-jaw. Once you get to working some briar blocks, in order to securely hold them in the chuck, it helps a lot to glue a piece of scrap wood (anything) to the bottom (under what will be the bowl area). Reason is because when turning the shank, the block isn't centered in the chuck, and can easily slip if no added grip surface. Glue it on, then trim it flush with the block sides with a table saw, or bandsaw if no tablesaw. Robert Perkins is right, gouges have no use in pipe making, just get you in trouble. For finish work, rig a keyless chuck (here they're good) onto a benchgrinddr shaft to hold 5 or 6 inch sanding padss. Since you need to use grits from about 50 to 400, ya need a lot of pads, so the chuck helps that. Using the Velcro backed sanding sheets helps too. Abralon is a great type of sanding disk to look into. I can't find the tower jaws on Teknatool's site, so I was gonna get Steve Morse's two jaw set that works with Nova and OneWay chucks. vermontfreehand.com/product/chuck-jaws/Do I really need the 3 way chuck for stems, or will Nova jaws for small diameter work? My bench grinder has threads, so not sure how to get a keyless chuck on that. I assume an adapter?
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Post by Robert Perkins on Aug 17, 2018 10:07:04 GMT -5
Thanks so much for the kind words and support, Legend Lover and @lonecoyote . Do I really need the 3 way chuck for stems, or will Nova jaws for small diameter work? You could probably get away with using a 2-jaw setup. Maybe you'd have to grind two opposing flats on a rod to keep it from spinning in a 2-jaw setup, but those flats could actually be the start of your bit, so yeah, start with just a 2-jaw setup and add a 3-jaw scrolling chuck later when it makes sense to do so.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Aug 17, 2018 10:09:33 GMT -5
Thanks so much for the kind words and support, Legend Lover and @lonecoyote . Do I really need the 3 way chuck for stems, or will Nova jaws for small diameter work? You could probably get away with using a 2-jaw setup. Maybe you'd have to grind two opposing flats on a rod to keep it from spinning in a 2-jaw setup, but those could actually be the start of your bit, so yeah, start with just a 2-jaw setup and add a 3-jaw scrolling chuck later when it makes sense to do so. The SuperNova has 4 jaws, so I'd assume that will work. Also, I found this for the grinder: www.amazon.com/dp/B074DRJM8M/ref=sspa_dk_hqp_detail_aax_0?psc=1That looks like it might just thread onto the arbor.
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