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Post by toshtego on Sept 8, 2018 20:08:23 GMT -5
Attended an electric car and motorcyle expo in Taos today. Many electric cars on display onwers and dealers. Many lectures inside on why now is the time to go EV. I was impressed. Anyone here drive an electric car? I am particularly interested in the all electric rather than hybrids. Chevy Bolt and Nissan Leaf, for example. There were several Teslas and an interesting talk by an owner who was on a 2,400 mile road trip.
Harley Davidson will begin selling an electric motorcylce this time next year. Supposedly, it already won a Pike's Peak race.
It appears that the day has come to take the all electric car seriously as a viable choice.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Sept 8, 2018 20:34:48 GMT -5
Harley Davidson...will they have a recording of that famous engine sound. Just can't get behind that idea. If it doesn't go...potato, potato, potato...I'm lost!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 20:37:30 GMT -5
My friend from NY owns a Nissan Leaf, it’s his train station vehicle. It’s over two years old with no issues. He saves the environment and big gas bills per gallon in NY. I’ve noticed a number of McDonald’s here in NC has a spot to park your electric car, plug in to power up while enjoying your meals. You swipe a credit card similar to the new gas pumps. “ The time has come for all Americans to keep our environment clean “!!
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Post by toshtego on Sept 8, 2018 20:46:01 GMT -5
Harley Davidson...will they have a recording of that famous engine sound. Just can't get behind that idea. If it doesn't go...potato, potato, potato...I'm lost!! The owner of the HD dealership in Santa Fe addressed that very point. While the motor is silent, he claims it was a whine like a jet passing low overhead. So, all the riders who just have to make a statement can get some satisfaction. Apparently, this bike will outperform anything HD has built to date. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 8, 2018 20:46:44 GMT -5
Nobody can afford the batteries to drive across Texas. Besides, you guys have to take all of this oil off our hands.
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Post by toshtego on Sept 8, 2018 20:48:30 GMT -5
My friend from NY owns a Nissan Leaf, it’s his train station vehicle. It’s over two years old with no issues. He saves the environment and big gas bills per gallon in NY. I’ve noticed a number of McDonald’s here in NC has a spot to park your electric car, plug in to power up while enjoying your meals. You swipe a credit card similar to the new gas pumps. “ The time has come for all Americans to keep our environment clean “!! I am told that charging stations are sprouting all over. Tesla has invested billions in a network of fast charging stations around the country. |
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Post by toshtego on Sept 8, 2018 20:49:55 GMT -5
Nobody can afford the batteries to drive across Texas. Besides, you guys have to take all of this oil off our hands. Oil is Soooo last century..... |
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Post by AJ on Sept 8, 2018 21:23:16 GMT -5
When and if the car can go at least 500 miles on a single charge, while traveling at 75 mph with the A/C and headlights in use continuously, plus being able to completely recharge the batteries in less than 10 minutes, and with the cost of the vehicle being less than $30,000.00, then I may consider getting an electric car. I doubt I’ll see that in my lifetime.
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Post by McWiggins on Sept 8, 2018 21:37:51 GMT -5
I know a few owners and they have some good and bad things to say. Over all, if charging stations are available then most are good.
The environmental issue is still, well, and issue. From the batteries, the extra electronics and what it takes to build those boards and how most are never truly recycled. Then there’s the issue of how one gets their electricity to charge their vehicle. Coal is still a very big contributor and nuclear, that’s a whole other hole to go down. What with how our modern design and technology could make it so very much more safer than it is today and way more efficient yet it’s still nuclear and pretty dangerous. But electric vehicles have a long road to be a true clean way of getting around. Although nothing is ever 100% clean.
With that said, they are still new and combustion motors have a very long history and went through seriously cut throat days of innovation. As more cleaner energy is developed and more infrastructure put in place to support the vehicles, its something that will become more of the normal in our world, at least that’s what I think.
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Sept 8, 2018 22:44:08 GMT -5
When and if the car can go at least 500 miles on a single charge, while traveling at 75 mph with the A/C and headlights in use continuously, plus being able to completely recharge the batteries in less than 10 minutes, and with the cost of the vehicle being less than $30,000.00, then I may consider getting an electric car. I doubt I’ll see that in my lifetime. AJ I suspect a lot of electric car buyers are using them as second cars, and they retain a non-electric for non-commute, non-shopping edge cases |
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Post by AJ on Sept 8, 2018 23:11:20 GMT -5
When and if the car can go at least 500 miles on a single charge, while traveling at 75 mph with the A/C and headlights in use continuously, plus being able to completely recharge the batteries in less than 10 minutes, and with the cost of the vehicle being less than $30,000.00, then I may consider getting an electric car. I doubt I’ll see that in my lifetime. AJ I suspect a lot of electric car buyers are using them as second cars, and they retain a non-electric for non-commute, non-shopping edge cases I suspect you may be right. AJ |
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Post by driftingfate on Sept 8, 2018 23:21:45 GMT -5
Interesting, huge potential performance advantages due to the torque from 0, but not good for long trips or emergency travel. Read and article about the hurricane evacuations in FL wouldn't be possible if a bulk of the cars were electric due to range and charging times compared to five minute fill-ups and range of gas and diesel vehicles.
As second, commuter cars, they let one use the carpool lane in some states and do save on the gas bill. I wonder what they do to the home's electric bill. As for the environment, that electricity comes from somewhere, so most of the electric cars are ultimately coal powered if you think about it.
I would think the electric HD (the mind reels) should outperform anything from the Motor Co due to the very nature of electric motors. Say what you will stock Harleys run and they have good engineers, so I expect the product to be good but resisted by dealers and customers as too far outside the norm if Buell is any indication of future interest.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 8, 2018 23:26:16 GMT -5
I considered leasing a Volt for a while as it's range would match up perfectly with my round trip commute. The $350 lease was the same as I was spending on gasoline. Instead I bought a car that got 2.5 times the gas mileage and payments of $119/mo.
Saved $100+ and broke even on the car in 6 years. The economics of the electric cars barely work now and only because of government subsidies. Teslas break down and wait months for repair parts. I am all for electric cars, but I fear that we are much further away from that future than the powers that be would have us believe.
The truth about global warming is ugly, and the world governments know that people are not ready to face the cold equations of what the future holds and we would really have to do to make a difference.
It's a hard rain's gonna fall.
It doesn't matter if you believe, left or right, red, blue, or purple.
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Post by Dramatwist on Sept 8, 2018 23:27:36 GMT -5
...my son owns a late-model Toyota Prius... works well for his commute here in the SF Bay Area...
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 8, 2018 23:32:13 GMT -5
...my son owns a late-model Toyota Prius... works well for his commute here in the SF Bay Area... A friend of mine has had 3 Prius. They are pretty good comfortable cars for basic transportation. I drove one and I was impressed. Now if they only made it in a pickup for $25k I would pony up for one. |
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Post by Dramatwist on Sept 8, 2018 23:42:48 GMT -5
...my son owns a late-model Toyota Prius... works well for his commute here in the SF Bay Area... A friend of mine has had 3 Prius. They are pretty good comfortable cars for basic transportation. I drove one and I was impressed. Now if they only made it in a pickup for $25k I would pony up for one. Agreed! Can't do without my pickup! |
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 8, 2018 23:46:49 GMT -5
A friend of mine has had 3 Prius. They are pretty good comfortable cars for basic transportation. I drove one and I was impressed. Now if they only made it in a pickup for $25k I would pony up for one. Agreed! Can't do without my pickup! Seriously? 🤠 Austin is looking like the place for you! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 0:07:14 GMT -5
Seriously.......I'm not impressed with any electric mode of transportation.....except trains. You do know they are all electric, the diesel engine is just to power the generators.
Anyway, I like my gas engines, always will. Just a die hard Detroit iron lover I reckon.
Just like I don't and won't own a cell phone.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 1:27:40 GMT -5
Nobody can afford the batteries to drive across Texas. Besides, you guys have to take all of this oil off our hands. Oil is Soooo last century..... Someone in France developed a one person car that ran on air. Guess it was compressed. Was on some documentary a few years ago. My question on electric cars, and I will exit this earth without experiencing one, is a wondering if the car companies have invented plenty of ways for it to break down to keep them in business |
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 9, 2018 2:59:37 GMT -5
A lot of my concerns have already been voiced. I'm not sure if the environmental savings are much better, considering the amount of coal is being used to generate the electricity. With wind, solar and hydro coming more to the fore that might have already changed.
If they could figure out how to use hydrogen safely and generate the hydrogen and oxygen from the 'waste' (which would be water) you'd have a winner.
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Post by toshtego on Sept 9, 2018 4:03:12 GMT -5
I know a few owners and they have some good and bad things to say. Over all, if charging stations are available then most are good. The environmental issue is still, well, and issue. From the batteries, the extra electronics and what it takes to build those boards and how most are never truly recycled. Then there’s the issue of how one gets their electricity to charge their vehicle. Coal is still a very big contributor and nuclear, that’s a whole other hole to go down. What with how our modern design and technology could make it so very much more safer than it is today and way more efficient yet it’s still nuclear and pretty dangerous. But electric vehicles have a long road to be a true clean way of getting around. Although nothing is ever 100% clean. With that said, they are still new and combustion motors have a very long history and went through seriously cut throat days of innovation. As more cleaner energy is developed and more infrastructure put in place to support the vehicles, its something that will become more of the normal in our world, at least that’s what I think. I felt that way, too. We should be 100 percent daylight solar in my county by 2022. While that helps, much charging is done at night with power from other sources. It seems our REC buys power at other times from NG fired generators. Nuclear will figure in there. We are out of the coal burning plant power which is an accomplishment given that Four Corners is just down the road from us. Some interesting developments coming with battery technology. I wondered about battery life, replacement cost, and disposal. I am curious about the long-term costs of electric. Six years is about as long as one owner had her car. That is not much time to evaluate true costs. |
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Post by toshtego on Sept 9, 2018 4:07:42 GMT -5
A lot of my concerns have already been voiced. I'm not sure if the environmental savings are much better, considering the amount of coal is being used to generate the electricity. With wind, solar and hydro coming more to the fore that might have already changed. If they could figure out how to use hydrogen safely and generate the hydrogen and oxygen from the 'waste' (which would be water) you'd have a winner. There was a long presentation on hydrogen. I was surprised how far that has come with fueling stations in west texas. |
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Post by toshtego on Sept 9, 2018 4:17:49 GMT -5
Oil is Soooo last century..... Someone in France developed a one person car that ran on air. Guess it was compressed. Was on some documentary a few years ago. My question on electric cars, and I will exit this earth without experiencing one, is a wondering if the car companies have invented plenty of ways for it to break down to keep them in business It was interesting to talk with five owners about their experiences over two to six years. Not many service issues. Cold weather has a real impact on battery life, so I am interested in how that will work out. Not everyone can afford a heated garage. |
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Post by toshtego on Sept 9, 2018 4:26:19 GMT -5
...my son owns a late-model Toyota Prius... works well for his commute here in the SF Bay Area... A friend of mine has had 3 Prius. They are pretty good comfortable cars for basic transportation. I drove one and I was impressed. Now if they only made it in a pickup for $25k I would pony up for one. The electric pick-up will be on the market within a few years. The $25K price point will not. I will hang on to my Ford PSD Super Duty until they pry it from my, well, you know. Still, I do not need a truck weighing 4 tons to drive 100 miles round trip to town for groceries and such although that is what I am doing now. |
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Post by McWiggins on Sept 9, 2018 6:44:17 GMT -5
As long as humans dont destroy themselves, electric transportation will become normal in society. Like combustion motors, there are things to work out. Its not truly feasible but look at where its come in twenty years let alone any technology. Today I carry a phone that with my large SD card allows me to have a big library of books, music, photo albums, movies and more. Storage has changed drastically just like battery capacity and how efficient power is transferred.
Bottom line, I think we will get there and we are in the baby stage of it now. People of the future will look at us and think "how quaint". Just as we do when looking back at early cars or "the horseless carriage".
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Post by oldcajun123 on Sept 9, 2018 8:16:41 GMT -5
 In 08 bought my wife a Prius, 32,000$, she was driving to Mandeville LA helping my daughter with the kids . She started at 42 mpg, gradually going to 52 mph. Now the bad part, AC Condenser, 2200$, computer crashed, 2000$, all the money saved on gas gone, was not a good deal for us. 4 bangers now make 32 to 36 mpg, initial cost cheap on on models under 20,000$. Me I will never, never be without a truck, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
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Post by rmb on Sept 9, 2018 8:59:33 GMT -5
I still find electric vehicles more of a curiosity than a 100% viable replacement for my dino oil cars, but that percentage does seem to ever tick closer to 100.
Heard a fun story on a podcast recently of a couple nearly getting stuck on highway 1 in California because of a closed road, they barely had enough juice to return. They mentioned had it been their gas car they would have never havr even stressed. Finding charging stations in the sticks is still very difficuly, even in California apparently.
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 9, 2018 10:02:07 GMT -5
I still find electric vehicles more of a curiosity than a 100% viable replacement for my dino oil cars, but that percentage does seem to ever tick closer to 100. Heard a fun story on a podcast recently of a couple nearly getting stuck on highway 1 in California because of a closed road, they barely had enough juice to return. They mentioned had it been their gas car they would have never havr even stressed. Finding charging stations in the sticks is still very difficuly, even in California apparently. That would be my concern too. |
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Post by toshtego on Sept 9, 2018 10:11:38 GMT -5
I still find electric vehicles more of a curiosity than a 100% viable replacement for my dino oil cars, but that percentage does seem to ever tick closer to 100. Heard a fun story on a podcast recently of a couple nearly getting stuck on highway 1 in California because of a closed road, they barely had enough juice to return. They mentioned had it been their gas car they would have never havr even stressed. Finding charging stations in the sticks is still very difficuly, even in California apparently. From what I learned, any road trip is planned around charging stations and that is a limiting factor. Supposedly, the locations are accessible on the car's internet computer. More are added each year and I was surprised to see where some of them are. One of Tesla's selling points is the number of fast charging stations set up. The driver spent 25 to 50 minutes at each one on his trip. Enough time to stretch his legs and maybe get a bite to eat. For the other cars, it might be more complicated. |
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Post by rmb on Sept 9, 2018 10:25:35 GMT -5
I still find electric vehicles more of a curiosity than a 100% viable replacement for my dino oil cars, but that percentage does seem to ever tick closer to 100. Heard a fun story on a podcast recently of a couple nearly getting stuck on highway 1 in California because of a closed road, they barely had enough juice to return. They mentioned had it been their gas car they would have never havr even stressed. Finding charging stations in the sticks is still very difficuly, even in California apparently. From what I learned, any road trip is planned around charging stations and that is a limiting factor. Supposedly, the locations are accessible on the car's internet computer. More are added each year and I was surprised to see where some of them are. One of Tesla's selling points is the number of fast charging stations set up. The driver spent 25 to 50 minutes at each one on his trip. Enough time to stretch his legs and maybe get a bite to eat. For the other cars, it might be more complicated. Ah, I forgot a key part of the story, they also had no cell signal and no internet. Still, that does seem pretty convenient if you are the type to really plan out a trip. They really are coming along, tesla is a pretty amazing company. |
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In 08 bought my wife a Prius, 32,000$, she was driving to Mandeville LA helping my daughter with the kids . She started at 42 mpg, gradually going to 52 mph. Now the bad part, AC Condenser, 2200$, computer crashed, 2000$, all the money saved on gas gone, was not a good deal for us. 4 bangers now make 32 to 36 mpg, initial cost cheap on on models under 20,000$. Me I will never, never be without a truck, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. 
