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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 22, 2018 9:12:42 GMT -5
There was a flea market next to the venue where our ball was hosted at the weekend. I didn't buy any fleas, but there was a stall with junk on it... And I mean junk. This guy had everything. Loads of old coins, irons, camera lenses, horseshoes etc.
So I asked him if he had any pipes. His response was that he used to, but these days they're going for too much on ebay that nobody is donating them to him.
It made me wonder if there's a slight resurgence in pipe smoking. Maybe not. Maybe it's the hipster movement. Maybe I'm just plain wrong. The guy beside him said he had loads of pipes but he just collects them.
Any thoughts?
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Post by briarbuck on Oct 22, 2018 9:23:20 GMT -5
It's a supply issue or a demand issue. I agree and tend to think it's the latter.
Many tobaccos have been sold out for this entire year
Prices on quality pre-owned pipes are up 25-50%
Long wait times for top carvers
Pipestuds sells out not in days, but in minutes
Prices of aged tobaccos have doubled in the past 24 months
Sure looks like too much demand to me. With continued discounting and prices staying stagnant this is what you get.
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Post by haveldad on Oct 22, 2018 9:26:27 GMT -5
There was a flea market next to the venue where our ball was hosted at the weekend. I didn't buy any fleas, but there was a stall with junk on it... And I mean junk. This guy had everything. Loads of old coins, irons, camera lenses, horseshoes etc. So I asked him if he had any pipes. His response was that he used to, but these days they're going for too much on ebay that nobody is donating them to him. It made me wonder if there's a slight resurgence in pipe smoking. Maybe not. Maybe it's the hipster movement. Maybe I'm just plain wrong. The guy beside him said he had loads of pipes but he just collects them. Any thoughts? A friend of mine once said that in reality there are more people smoking than we think, it explains the thousands of pipes on eBay that sell (some for crazy amounts) same thing with tobacco. We thought a lot of this pricing and constant sales were just from old hobbiests with deep pockets, but its fairly likely a new generation is starting to gain some interest. The pipe tobacco reddit shows many 18-mid 20 year olds getting into pipes. I think hipsters don't play a big part in it personally, not with vapes being a thing. (I'm only 19 and took up piping after enjoying cigars im Vegas but deciding they were too expensive.) I'm also just a sucker for woodworking, so pipes drew me in. All I know is I want find a kaywoodie all-briar on eBay and they never show up. |
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Post by mwps70 on Oct 22, 2018 9:34:54 GMT -5
It's a supply issue or a demand issue. I agree and tend to think it's the latter. Many tobaccos have been sold out for this entire year Prices on quality pre-owned pipes are up 25-50% Long wait times for top carvers Pipestuds sells out not in days, but in minutes Prices of aged tobaccos have doubled in the past 24 months Sure looks like too much demand to me. With continued discounting and prices staying stagnant this is what you get. I agree with demand. I think social media has changed the landscape of tobaccos and pipes. It is easy to check the pulse of what are the hot tobaccos just by checking Instagram or youtube. Overnight a tobacco rush can happen just by a video or post. I have seen situations where a particular somewhat unnoticed tobacco gets a raving review on youtube and Bam! it is sold out everywhere. I have noticed how quickly Pipestud sells out as well. I have learned a hard lesson about cellaring over the last year or so. I am finally feeling comfortable with what I have and I have a specifically ordered list of the tobaccos yet to be purchased and cellared. I mentioned this in another thread but I am happy to see the B & M's getting much more attention. People are calling around looking for particular tobaccos since the internet can't keep them in stock. |
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Post by puffy on Oct 22, 2018 9:37:20 GMT -5
Could be folks just looking for pipes at less cost than new ones.I think a lot of folks have come to realize that a good pipe well taken care of lasts a very long time.So there's still a lot of life in a good estate pipe..I hope pipe smoking is on the rise.The more of us there are the better.
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Post by haveldad on Oct 22, 2018 9:43:43 GMT -5
Could be folks just looking for pipes at less cost than new ones.I think a lot of folks have come to realize that a good pipe well taken care of lasts a very long time.So there's still a lot of life in a good estate pipe..I hope pipe smoking is on the rise.The more of us there are the better. One of us! One of us! We accept her gooble gobble! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 9:50:12 GMT -5
Paddy, pipes and tobacco’s are still in great demand.....more so on the Asian market where Estate pipes and hard to find tobacco’s bring “ top dollar “!! I do believe in roughly 20 years or so pipe smoking will be a lost art, for I don’t see any of the younger generation of today taking up pipe smoking. They are very much into vaping!!!
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Oct 22, 2018 9:51:40 GMT -5
I don't believe for a second that there's been a resurgence in pipe smoking. Figures for the U.S. were about 2% of men in 1990, and something like 0.5% by 2010. Even if the number of new pipe smokers doubled or tripled several years in a row, it still wouldn't make up for the demographic losses from death and disease.
I will, however, believe that the internet makes the existing body of pipe smokers crazy and stupid. Used pipes are more popular than ever. Nutters from Reddit and pipe forums storm every internet tobacco vendor to buy out tins in fifteen minutes. Horrifying pipes that a good pipe man would have been thrown away somehow manage to sell over the internet for $100+.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 9:58:46 GMT -5
I don't believe for a second that there's been a resurgence in pipe smoking. Figures for the U.S. were about 2% of men in 1990, and something like 0.5% by 2010. Even if the number of new pipe smokers doubled or tripled several years in a row, it still wouldn't make up for the demographic losses from death and disease. I will, however, believe that the internet makes the existing body of pipe smokers crazy and stupid. Used pipes are more popular than ever. Nutters from Reddit and pipe forums storm every internet tobacco vendor to buy out tins in fifteen minutes. Horrifying pipes that a good pipe man would have been thrown away somehow manage to sell over the internet for $100+. Agree!! About 3 years ago on eBay you could have purchased a mint condition Estate Edwards pipe for under $20.00. That same pipe in mint condition would definitely get the seller a minimum of $100.00 in today’s market. Last week I finally found an Edwards nosewarmer in mint condition, the seller would not budge on his asking price of $125.00. You know what....it sold for $125.00. To rich for my blood right now. |
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Post by toshtego on Oct 22, 2018 10:02:32 GMT -5
I don't believe for a second that there's been a resurgence in pipe smoking. Figures for the U.S. were about 2% of men in 1990, and something like 0.5% by 2010. Even if the number of new pipe smokers doubled or tripled several years in a row, it still wouldn't make up for the demographic losses from death and disease. I will, however, believe that the internet makes the existing body of pipe smokers crazy and stupid. Used pipes are more popular than ever. Nutters from Reddit and pipe forums storm every internet tobacco vendor to buy out tins in fifteen minutes. Horrifying pipes that a good pipe man would have been thrown away somehow manage to sell over the internet for $100+. Agree!! About 3 years ago on eBay you could have purchased a mint condition Estate Edwards pipe for under $20.00. That same pipe in mint condition would definitely get the seller a minimum of $100.00. Last week I finally found an Edwards nosewarmer in mint condition, the seller would not budge on his asking price of $125.00. You know what....it sold for $125.00. To rich for my blood right now. Agreed. Estate Pipes have inflated to a ridiculous level. I have to content myself with the ones I have. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 22, 2018 10:04:31 GMT -5
Agree!! About 3 years ago on eBay you could have purchased a mint condition Estate Edwards pipe for under $20.00. That same pipe in mint condition would definitely get the seller a minimum of $100.00. Last week I finally found an Edwards nosewarmer in mint condition, the seller would not budge on his asking price of $125.00. You know what....it sold for $125.00. To rich for my blood right now. Agreed. Estate Pipes have inflated to a ridiculous level. I have to content myself with the ones I have. In the UK market, I've seen a lot of decent estate pipes go for around £30. In fact, one of my best pipes I got for £5. That's good news for me and kirk13. |
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Post by haveldad on Oct 22, 2018 10:05:19 GMT -5
I don't believe for a second that there's been a resurgence in pipe smoking. Figures for the U.S. were about 2% of men in 1990, and something like 0.5% by 2010. Even if the number of new pipe smokers doubled or tripled several years in a row, it still wouldn't make up for the demographic losses from death and disease. I will, however, believe that the internet makes the existing body of pipe smokers crazy and stupid. Used pipes are more popular than ever. Nutters from Reddit and pipe forums storm every internet tobacco vendor to buy out tins in fifteen minutes. Horrifying pipes that a good pipe man would have been thrown away somehow manage to sell over the internet for $100+. Agree!! About 3 years ago on eBay you could have purchased a mint condition Estate Edwards pipe for under $20.00. That same pipe in mint condition would definitely get the seller a minimum of $100.00 in today’s market. Last week I finally found an Edwards nosewarmer in mint condition, the seller would not budge on his asking price of $125.00. You know what....it sold for $125.00. To rich for my blood right now. It'll probably only get worse till the piranah buying of the hobby dies down (if it ever does), there are still plenty of deals to be had, just gotta keep an eye out. |
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Post by kirk13 on Oct 22, 2018 10:27:24 GMT -5
Agreed. Estate Pipes have inflated to a ridiculous level. I have to content myself with the ones I have. In the UK market, I've seen a lot of decent estate pipes go for around £30. In fact, one of my best pipes I got for £5. That's good news for me and kirk13 . Don't go there mate! I've won two estate briars on eBay today for ten quid delivered😱 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 10:32:11 GMT -5
In the UK market, I've seen a lot of decent estate pipes go for around £30. In fact, one of my best pipes I got for £5. That's good news for me and kirk13 . Don't go there mate! I've won two estate briars on eBay today for ten quid delivered😱 Good for you, there are still some good deals on pipes on eBay if you look around. I’ve not heard the word “ quid “ used in years when referring to the British pound/lire. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 22, 2018 10:52:44 GMT -5
In the UK market, I've seen a lot of decent estate pipes go for around £30. In fact, one of my best pipes I got for £5. That's good news for me and kirk13 . Don't go there mate! I've won two estate briars on eBay today for ten quid delivered😱 Ha. At least you didn't lose to me. |
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Post by daveinlax on Oct 22, 2018 11:00:56 GMT -5
No. I hang out at what was a traditional pipe shop. Cigars keep them in business.  |
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Post by kirk13 on Oct 22, 2018 11:56:50 GMT -5
Don't go there mate! I've won two estate briars on eBay today for ten quid delivered😱 Ha. At least you didn't lose to me. You weren't bidding on a Falcon this morning?😂 |
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 22, 2018 11:59:00 GMT -5
Ha. At least you didn't lose to me. You weren't bidding on a Falcon this morning?😂 I managed to pull myself away from the lure of buying pipes on ebay. I like my cobs and the few briars I have. I'm concentrating on stocking up on tobacco before the prices get out of hand. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 12:07:27 GMT -5
Don't go there mate! I've won two estate briars on eBay today for ten quid delivered😱 Ha. At least you didn't lose to me. Ok guys , What's a guid worth? What's a shilling worth? |
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 22, 2018 12:09:40 GMT -5
Ha. At least you didn't lose to me. Ok guys , What's a guid worth? What's a shilling worth? Lol. A quid is a pound. I think a shilling is about 5p. I remember some 10p coins had, 'two shillings' written on them. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 13:02:35 GMT -5
Thank you Paddy. This raises other questions but this is not the time, don't want to hijack this thread.
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Post by jeffd on Oct 22, 2018 13:11:52 GMT -5
No. I hang out at what was a traditional pipe shop. Cigars keep them in business. Very true. I have seen small tobacco shops with mediocre pipe tobacco selections, and poor pipe selections, lots of RYO tobacco and OTC tobacco, but an excellent walk-in humidor with a great variety of offerings at anything but bargain prices. |
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Post by smellthehatfirst on Oct 22, 2018 13:35:15 GMT -5
Lol. A quid is a pound. I think a shilling is about 5p. I remember some 10p coins had, 'two shillings' written on them. A shilling is 1/20th of a pound. So, 5 decimal pence, or 12 old-style pence. |
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Post by kxg on Oct 22, 2018 20:06:58 GMT -5
No. I hang out at what was a traditional pipe shop. Cigars keep them in business. Very true. I have seen small tobacco shops with mediocre pipe tobacco selections, and poor pipe selections, lots of RYO tobacco and OTC tobacco, but an excellent walk-in humidor with a great variety of offerings at anything but bargain prices. My favorite B&M is definitely cigar centric, but the guys behind the counter seem fairly knowledgeable on pipes and tobacco. They have a decent selection of both. I snagged a half pound of Penzance there last week. However, I was the only one in the lounge smoking a pipe, two evenings in a row. To their credit, no one looked at me like I had two heads! |
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Post by jeffd on Oct 22, 2018 20:11:54 GMT -5
There is definitely this thing called the "hobby of pipe smoking" which is on the rise. I hope that it continues to rise and that someday it will cease to be a hobby and just something people do.
Yea right. Those days are gone.
I am not expecting a tobaccapocalypse, really, and my bias is that once folks are comfortable that pipe tobacco smoking isn't going anywhere, and isn't going to become illegal, the hoarding will reduce, and the cellaring will be primarily for aging. Tobacco will be readily available at market prices. Folks will just smoke and enjoy it.
Yea right, well I guy can hope.
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Post by monbla256 on Oct 22, 2018 22:14:50 GMT -5
As far as prices on e-prey, remember ANYTHING that is OLD is very VALUABLE ! As far as any increase in pipe smoking, when I see more B&Ms that are more than a walk-in humidor I'll believe it ! The internet has deffinately changed retailing and will continue to do so.  |
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Post by Dramatwist on Oct 23, 2018 13:29:04 GMT -5
...these days, pipe smokers are more "invested" in it as a hobby... previous to the mid-1970s, it was something that a lot of folks enjoyed, but I doubt it was considered a "hobby" by most of them... think of your Dad or Grandfather... they usually had 1 or 2 pipes and smoked the same tobacco all the time... now we talk and write about tobacco as if it was "fine wine"...
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Post by lestrout on Oct 23, 2018 13:40:13 GMT -5
...these days, pipe smokers are more "invested" in it as a hobby... previous to the mid-1970s, it was something that a lot of folks enjoyed, but I doubt it was considered a "hobby" by most of them... think of your Dad or Grandfather... they usually had 1 or 2 pipes and smoked the same tobacco all the time... now we talk and write about tobacco as if it was "fine wine"... Yo DT Actually, I do think about pipe tobacco in the same vein as wine, fine and otherwise. In my late teens and twenties, I was deep into wines, to the point of starting two wine clubs and setting up and designing dozens of wine tastings. Unfortunately, not being a spitter and possessing an unusual wimpitude for alcohol, when the kids started dropping, my wife and I couldn't allow the little rug rats any unfair advantages; so the nightly bottles of wine ending up staying in the cellar. When I came back to the pipe, I found that I actually got more enjoyment from the pyrolyzed leaf than fermented grape juice, and the benefits of not getting dizzy and having to only be watchful for frying my tongue were considerable. Both hobbies/avocations share the attributes of olfactory stimulation - I love complex flavors that evolve and depend on technique to tease out the variation. hp les |
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Post by jeffd on Oct 23, 2018 13:51:44 GMT -5
...these days, pipe smokers are more "invested" in it as a hobby... previous to the mid-1970s, it was something that a lot of folks enjoyed, but I doubt it was considered a "hobby" by most of them... think of your Dad or Grandfather... they usually had 1 or 2 pipes and smoked the same tobacco all the time... now we talk and write about tobacco as if it was "fine wine"... Both hobbies/avocations share the attributes of olfactory stimulation - I love complex flavors that evolve and depend on technique to tease out the variation. That is kind of true. Another similarity is the infinite amount of good information, incorrect legend, out and out mythology out there about both wine and pipe smoking. |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Oct 23, 2018 14:01:21 GMT -5
I think supply is probably lower than it was back in the day. I know demand is.
Here's the thing- Everyone smoked way back when. It was ingrained on social culture. Now days, hipsters buy a pipe and a few tins to look sophisticated. Out of the hundred or so people in my life around my age, ranging from friend-to-acquaintance, only two smoke. And I'm talking about two guys who own a couple Grabows each; For god's sake, my brother was smoking RYO Cigarette Baccy out of his MrBrogg before I gifted him a dozen tins. Honestly I think he is still on the first tin a year later.
Very few new pipesmokers that take the hobby seriously.
Friends still laugh around me when I smoke as if I'm being pretensious, like there is something inherently rediculous and out-dated about the entire concept. They have no clue how much I enjoy smoking. They'd shite their Jockeys if they knew how many thousands of dollars I've spent in the past couple years. Haha
Also millennials are poor, so to hell with pipemakers like Dunhill. Sure they're pretty, but those guys literally sell belts that cost more than my three nicest pairs of boots combined. A Dunhill wallet costs more than my average bank Ballance by the middle of the month. Haha... So when people from my generation want a designer pipe, we head to eBay.
Also, part of the tobacco shortage could also be profiteers. That and we know the hobby attracts hoarders. I mean, I'm here. Haha Two years and I already have more tobacco than I could smoke if I live 40 more.
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