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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 28, 2019 2:08:08 GMT -5
a bunch of stuff about cannabis If this is indeed true (and I'm not doubting you), then i wonder why it isn't being legalised and why pharma companies aren't doing more to get it legalised and out there. Is it because it's available in its natural form from a plant, anybody could grow it and use it, and then the pharma companies wouldn't make money? I get a feeling it's all about the money and NOT the prevention or cure of diseases / illnesses. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 2:11:08 GMT -5
Maybe I should be living in the Netherlands 🇳🇱. Cafes all over to enjoy your coffee and dessert with a few choice selections of high grade marijuana.......all legal👍👍👍
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Post by elric on Jun 28, 2019 2:47:54 GMT -5
a bunch of stuff about cannabis If this is indeed true (and I'm not doubting you), then i wonder why it isn't being legalised and why pharma companies aren't doing more to get it legalised and out there. Is it because it's available in its natural form from a plant, anybody could grow it and use it, and then the pharma companies wouldn't make money? I get a feeling it's all about the money and NOT the prevention or cure of diseases / illnesses. Exactly, it's all about the money. Here in Australia patients were promised that we'd have access to 'medicinal cannabis'. The PM at the time, Malcolm Turdbull, not only has shares in Big pHarma, his wife was a senior exec of a multi-national pHarmaceutical co. Big pHarma also donates millions annually to both main political parties. He ensured that access is beyond reach of most Aussies. Only a few hundred patients have qualified since. The application process takes a GP 3-4 hours to fill out the forms. A specialist must also file a report. Then, if approved, the cost of the oil costs patients over $1,000 a month for what can be grown for a fraction. Patients can easily make their own oil from black market weed for under 1/4 the cost. Not long after, 'random' roadside drug testing started. A driver is not charged for driving under the influence but rather, for driving with an illicit substance in ones system. People are losing their license for smoking a joint days & even weeks beforehand. The only people who would deny patients relief from the most effective & safest medication known to man, are the corrupt involved with the black market & those who stand to lose money from investments in & bribes from Big pHarma. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 28, 2019 3:45:48 GMT -5
If this is indeed true (and I'm not doubting you), then i wonder why it isn't being legalised and why pharma companies aren't doing more to get it legalised and out there. Is it because it's available in its natural form from a plant, anybody could grow it and use it, and then the pharma companies wouldn't make money? I get a feeling it's all about the money and NOT the prevention or cure of diseases / illnesses. Exactly, it's all about the money. Here in Australia patients were promised that we'd have access to 'medicinal cannabis'. The PM at the time, Malcolm Turdbull, not only has shares in Big pHarma, his wife was a senior exec of a multi-national pHarmaceutical co. Big pHarma also donates millions annually to both main political parties. He ensured that access is beyond reach of most Aussies. Only a few hundred patients have qualified since. The application process takes a GP 3-4 hours to fill out the forms. A specialist must also file a report. Then, if approved, the cost of the oil costs patients over $1,000 a month for what can be grown for a fraction. Patients can easily make their own oil from black market weed for under 1/4 the cost. Not long after, 'random' roadside drug testing started. A driver is not charged for driving under the influence but rather, for driving with an illicit substance in ones system. People are losing their license for smoking a joint days & even weeks beforehand. The only people who would deny patients relief from the most effective & safest medication known to man, are the corrupt involved with the black market & those who stand to lose money from investments in & bribes from Big pHarma. In this world, things are arse about face. |
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Post by Stearmandriver on Jun 28, 2019 15:26:05 GMT -5
Anyone who has taken the full 60 day cannabis oil protocol WILL be cured of cancer. Bam. Snake oil. You've made 100% of my point for me. Cannabis does not cure cancer. Marijuana smoke actually contains many known carcinogens. There is NO patent held by anyone for using marijuana to treat cancer. What it is used for is treating the pain experienced by a cancer patient. It's a psychoactive drug after all. You're confusing the endocannibinoid system of the human body with the cannibinoids found in marijuana. They aren't the same thing (though marijuana can interact with this system in interesting ways). You pasted in much of the wikipedia article, but forgot the big header at the top: "This article needs more medical references for verification." I mean, I can find internet material claiming the earth is flat too... sources and context matter. For all that, I never told anyone not to use marijuana. I actually said the opposite. I don't at all suggest you shouldn't use it for pain control; that's a known use for it like I said. Data also shows that it helps some people with certain types of epilepsy. It's not completely repeatable, but if you're one of the people it does help, then fantastic. We all know it makes many people sleepy, so if I had sleep problems I'd try it for sure. But it DOES NOT cure cancer, or do most of the other things that are being attributed to it these days. I'd hate to see people try to treat a life threatening illness with weed. |
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Post by Stearmandriver on Jun 28, 2019 15:39:52 GMT -5
Also, the theory that pharmaceutical companies suppress marijuana as a treatment because they cannot patent it falls apart when you realize that novel plant varieties CAN be patented, in the US anyway. The folks that descry Monsanto as an evil empire make much of this, in fact, when they complain about how farmers can't "save seeds" to plant next year (ignoring the fact that no farmers would do that anyway).
What I'm not sure about is if marijuana can currently be patented, as it is still considered illegal by the federal government. Certain strains, like the famous Charlotte's Web (rebranded as CW) are trademarked but not patented, and that may be why. But if federal legalization is what would be needed to patent and market a miracle cure - and if marijuana really WERE a miracle cure - it seems obvious that the pharmaceutical companies would be arguing FOR legalization so they could get in on the action, right?
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Post by elric on Jun 28, 2019 19:50:42 GMT -5
Anyone who has taken the full 60 day cannabis oil protocol WILL be cured of cancer. Bam. Snake oil. You've made 100% of my point for me. Cannabis does not cure cancer. Marijuana smoke actually contains many known carcinogens. There is NO patent held by anyone for using marijuana to treat cancer. What it is used for is treating the pain experienced by a cancer patient. It's a psychoactive drug after all. You're confusing the endocannibinoid system of the human body with the cannibinoids found in marijuana. They aren't the same thing (though marijuana can interact with this system in interesting ways). You pasted in much of the wikipedia article, but forgot the big header at the top: "This article needs more medical references for verification." I mean, I can find internet material claiming the earth is flat too... sources and context matter. For all that, I never told anyone not to use marijuana. I actually said the opposite. I don't at all suggest you shouldn't use it for pain control; that's a known use for it like I said. Data also shows that it helps some people with certain types of epilepsy. It's not completely repeatable, but if you're one of the people it does help, then fantastic. We all know it makes many people sleepy, so if I had sleep problems I'd try it for sure. But it DOES NOT cure cancer, or do most of the other things that are being attributed to it these days. I'd hate to see people try to treat a life threatening illness with weed. Your ignorance runs deep grasshopper. SMH Unable to concede that you were spreading falsehoods about cannabinoids in breast milk I see. The U.S. govt. has a medical-patent - Patent # U.S. 6,630,507 that pertains to cannabinoids. You might want to do a little research before you embarrass yourself further. The rest of your drivel is not worth responding to; can lead a horse to water & all that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 19:53:21 GMT -5
Be careful this thread does not become locked down.......DO YOU GUYS WANT ME TO SLEEP AT ALL. Continue your discussions in a PM please.....thank you and greatly appreciated 👍👍👍👍
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Post by roadsdiverged on Jun 28, 2019 20:05:45 GMT -5
I like a good arguement, especially when I understand both view points on it. You can have a civil argument without personal attacks and name calling.
It's been an interesting read this far.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 20:23:52 GMT -5
I agree, the discussion is a good read but once the name calling I “ garontee “ a lock down......which I would not like to see happen with this thread. I appreciate both of your view points, both have brought up some interesting points. Let’s keep it going so I don’t have to start “ an insanity thread “!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 22:03:05 GMT -5
There is no money in the cure always follow the money. Why the rush with CBD oil because it is not regulated by the Gov-ment as it contain no THC. While many states have legalized cannabis the federal gov has not. Cannabis would be legal except the alcoholics out number the cannabis smokers in our local, state and federal governments.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 2:27:21 GMT -5
I'm up, anybody else?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 3:23:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 3:48:17 GMT -5
Up sipping coffee after a 3 hour nap. Thinking about going outside before it rains for the next couple of days. But they cant get local weather right so much for global warming. I should have a cee gar and think about that.
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Post by Chuckus on Jun 29, 2019 4:35:41 GMT -5
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 29, 2019 4:43:44 GMT -5
Stating fact or your opinion on fact is grand and welcomed here.
However, please keep any negative opinions of others to yourselves. That includes whether or not you feel someone is talking drivel.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 6:28:18 GMT -5
Highly intelligent chimp, his owner is lucky he still has his face. Chimps are super cute but when they get older don’t tick them off!!! |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jun 29, 2019 6:52:45 GMT -5
a bunch of stuff about cannabis If this is indeed true (and I'm not doubting you), then i wonder why it isn't being legalised and why pharma companies aren't doing more to get it legalised and out there. Is it because it's available in its natural form from a plant, anybody could grow it and use it, and then the pharma companies wouldn't make money? I get a feeling it's all about the money and NOT the prevention or cure of diseases / illnesses. Short answer: Yes. It will be federally legal once it has safely and surely been monopolized and monetized by the taller hogs at the trough. |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jun 29, 2019 6:56:13 GMT -5
Highly intelligent chimp, his owner is lucky he still has his face. Chimps are super cute but when they get older don’t tick them off!!! As wary of primates as I am, I still really enjoyed that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 7:08:27 GMT -5
PhantomWolf.........I’m much more wary of mankind than any ape👍 At least with a chimp you know what’s inevitable, with man you must always keep your eyes open!!! Can you tell I have trust issues.....lol.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jun 29, 2019 7:23:19 GMT -5
PhantomWolf.........I’m much more wary of mankind than any ape👍 At least with a chimp you know what’s inevitable, with man you must always keep your eyes open!!! Can you tell I have trust issues.....lol. True. I think people are fairly easy to read though. In fact, I think the average Joe possess the ability to do so and with a good degree of accuracy, but most choose to ignore the tells because we want things to match our ideal picture. Especially with the opposite sex. Haha |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 11:15:11 GMT -5
Never own a pet you cant kill with your bare hands. See face chewed of by tiger, face ripped off by monkey, stomped to death by horse in Google for a proper reference.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 11:32:33 GMT -5
Never own a pet you cant kill with your bare hands. See face chewed of by tiger, face ripped off by monkey, stomped to death by horse in Google for a proper reference. Very true, but from the beginning of time man has killed, slaughtered, decapitated and don’t forget “ ethnic cleansing “ by the millions. One on one with one of my 7” fixed blade knives I’d sooner take on any wild animal. Man has proven over time there is no animal on earth as cruel as man itself. |
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Post by Stearmandriver on Jun 29, 2019 23:51:50 GMT -5
Bam. Snake oil. You've made 100% of my point for me. Cannabis does not cure cancer. Marijuana smoke actually contains many known carcinogens. There is NO patent held by anyone for using marijuana to treat cancer. What it is used for is treating the pain experienced by a cancer patient. It's a psychoactive drug after all. You're confusing the endocannibinoid system of the human body with the cannibinoids found in marijuana. They aren't the same thing (though marijuana can interact with this system in interesting ways). You pasted in much of the wikipedia article, but forgot the big header at the top: "This article needs more medical references for verification." I mean, I can find internet material claiming the earth is flat too... sources and context matter. For all that, I never told anyone not to use marijuana. I actually said the opposite. I don't at all suggest you shouldn't use it for pain control; that's a known use for it like I said. Data also shows that it helps some people with certain types of epilepsy. It's not completely repeatable, but if you're one of the people it does help, then fantastic. We all know it makes many people sleepy, so if I had sleep problems I'd try it for sure. But it DOES NOT cure cancer, or do most of the other things that are being attributed to it these days. I'd hate to see people try to treat a life threatening illness with weed. Your ignorance runs deep grasshopper. SMH Unable to concede that you were spreading falsehoods about cannabinoids in breast milk I see. The U.S. govt. has a medical-patent - Patent # U.S. 6,630,507 that pertains to cannabinoids. You might want to do a little research before you embarrass yourself further. The rest of your drivel is not worth responding to; can lead a horse to water & all that. I absolutely do not intend to get anyone's thread locked down, nor do I have any wish to insult you or anyone. Please adhere to those same principles in replies so we do not derail a thread. Just a few points: 1. I was not spreading falsehoods about cannabinoids in breast milk. I was pointing out that the human endocannibinoid system is not the same thing as the cannibinoids in marijuana. This is a true statement. 2. That patent you referenced does not make any claim about cannibinoids treating any type of cancer. It also seems to lack any solid evidence for the claims it does make. Remember, a thing does not need to work to be patented; it only needs to be new. There is a long list of bizarre inventions holding U.S. patents. If you can reference any reputable studies that have been published in a reputable journal and survived peer review regarding the ability of cannibinoids to treat anything but epilepsy, I'd be genuinely interested to read it. But again, weed simply does not cure cancer. Again, if you disagree, that's fine. I'd be interested to see any reputable evidence for your position, but you're not obligated to provide it and welcome to keep your opinion, and keep thinking of me as an ignorant grasshopper. No offense will be taken. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 1:58:32 GMT -5
Its just not worth it so don't make a mountain out of nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 2:00:08 GMT -5
2am wide awake and where is Ted my partner in the late late show.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 4:16:30 GMT -5
2am wide awake and where is Ted my partner in the late late show. A night of reading and enjoyed a Padron 3000 on the back deck. Hope you have a great Sunday and be well, Ted |
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Post by elric on Jun 30, 2019 4:47:57 GMT -5
Your ignorance runs deep grasshopper. SMH Unable to concede that you were spreading falsehoods about cannabinoids in breast milk I see. The U.S. govt. has a medical-patent - Patent # U.S. 6,630,507 that pertains to cannabinoids. You might want to do a little research before you embarrass yourself further. The rest of your drivel is not worth responding to; can lead a horse to water & all that. I absolutely do not intend to get anyone's thread locked down, nor do I have any wish to insult you or anyone. Please adhere to those same principles in replies so we do not derail a thread. Just a few points: 1. I was not spreading falsehoods about cannabinoids in breast milk. I was pointing out that the human endocannibinoid system is not the same thing as the cannibinoids in marijuana. This is a true statement. 2. That patent you referenced does not make any claim about cannibinoids treating any type of cancer. It also seems to lack any solid evidence for the claims it does make. Remember, a thing does not need to work to be patented; it only needs to be new. There is a long list of bizarre inventions holding U.S. patents. If you can reference any reputable studies that have been published in a reputable journal and survived peer review regarding the ability of cannibinoids to treat anything but epilepsy, I'd be genuinely interested to read it. But again, weed simply does not cure cancer. Again, if you disagree, that's fine. I'd be interested to see any reputable evidence for your position, but you're not obligated to provide it and welcome to keep your opinion, and keep thinking of me as an ignorant grasshopper. No offense will be taken. "Point #1" Where did I say that the endocannabinoid system was the same thing as cannabinoids? You're just making stuff up now. My ex-wife suffered from the same affliction of not being able to admit when she was wrong. Legend Lover said, & I quote; "I never knew that about breast milk." You responded with "That's because it's not true; unless , of course, the mother uses marijuana." Despite providing you links to prove my point, you're unable to concede that you were perpetuating a falsehood. Most of those who say "Bam. Snake oil." erroneously presume that when it's said that cannabis cures cancer, they think that it's being suggested that sucking on a joint will cure cancer. Ludicrous impression to say the least.. To cure cancer, a patient needs to take 1g of full extract cannabis oil (FECO) over 24 hours daily for 60 days. That is a huge dose so patients need to start off on FECO the size of a grain of rice & build ones tolerance up to the full dosage. THC is the actual cannabinoid that targets cancer cells but it works synergistically with the 100+ cannabinoids for efficacy. FECO also cures skin cancer when applied topically. For those who wish to know the facts, there's plenty of testimonials from actual patients that can be found with little effort. Better to be informed than pretending to know without any actual research. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 6:17:55 GMT -5
Good Ted I got me a 1990 RP those are always good and the sun is just peeking its rays now. Third cup of coffee and running the net off my tethered phone a cow must have peed on rock some where near by. The lines in my neighborhood are so old they are made out of bronze.
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Post by elric on Jun 30, 2019 10:01:07 GMT -5
Also, the theory that pharmaceutical companies suppress marijuana as a treatment because they cannot patent it falls apart when you realize that novel plant varieties CAN be patented, in the US anyway. The folks that descry Monsanto as an evil empire make much of this, in fact, when they complain about how farmers can't "save seeds" to plant next year (ignoring the fact that no farmers would do that anyway). What I'm not sure about is if marijuana can currently be patented, as it is still considered illegal by the federal government. Certain strains, like the famous Charlotte's Web (rebranded as CW) are trademarked but not patented, and that may be why. But if federal legalization is what would be needed to patent and market a miracle cure - and if marijuana really WERE a miracle cure - it seems obvious that the pharmaceutical companies would be arguing FOR legalization so they could get in on the action, right? No, wrong again. Monsanto has patents on it's GMOs that have been GENETICALLY MODIFIED, (therefore differentiating it from the natural grain/plant) to tolerate soaking up heaps of that "safe & wonderful" weed killer RoundUp ...... er hang on a minute; the bastards lied to us (fancy that eh?) RoundUp is a carcinogen & now it can be detected in nearly every commercial grain product in the U.S. Monsanto and other petrochemical co's have bought up over 95% of the worlds seed banks. Historically farmers collected the best seed from their crop for the next season. Monsanto changed that. Because they have a patent on their GMO seed (the shite that sent the fertility rates of pigs in Holland plumetting, but we wont get into that just now) they actually own the seed in the farmers crop that's on the farmers land. The farmers are now forced to pay for their own seed. Now when the pollen from the GMOs infect non-GMO neighbouring crops, Monsanto then claims ownership of that crop. They've bankrupted many farmers who objected. Yes, "evil" is a fair description. But you know, why let facts get in the way of what's convenient? That bothersome rascally truth could keep a bloke awake at night if he actually gave it any thought. So you continue to eat those GMOs & spray that RoundUp around your yard with abandon. Ignorance is bliss! (Or so they tell me) Cannabis cannot be patented because it is a natural plant. Isolated cannabinoids can be patented. |
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