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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 12, 2019 18:27:20 GMT -5
@phantomwolf, I was looking back through the thread and I came across your 357 pic. I wanted one of those a few years ago when Gander Mountain had them for $309. That was a heck of a deal. I looked one of them over carefully and I was planning on coming back to get it the next month. Of course they were out of them and never got any more. A guy who lives and works in the ritzy part of Houston was mugged getting out of his car and he got one of those. The next month they tried again. The robber lived, but barely. Straight from hospital to prison. I would have loved to see the look on his face when he saw that huge magnum revolver spitting fire in his direction. I think they call that the "come to Jesus" moment. See my previous post about the guy who tried to rob my nephews church. That's a literal "come to Jesus" moment. He was born again in his pants. |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Aug 12, 2019 18:42:33 GMT -5
I can believe that!!!...and like it was already stated if you gotta shoot, make sure it is the only shot needed.
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Post by toshtego on Aug 12, 2019 18:56:46 GMT -5
Already outbid on the Police Positive from 1970. Still on top for the Official Police. Anyway, we shall see.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 21:20:54 GMT -5
Already outbid on the Police Positive from 1970. Still on top for the Official Police. Anyway, we shall see.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 21:22:08 GMT -5
Got it in my head that I want one of these to complement my 44 Special. Handy dandy.  |
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Post by simnettpratt on Aug 12, 2019 21:35:10 GMT -5
Didn't know Ruger had started making 7-shot GPs. I guess when Taurus and S&W are making them you kinda have to. Look at that topstrap. Yow  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 22:05:51 GMT -5
Didn't know Ruger had started making 7-shot GPs. I guess when Taurus and S&W are making them you kinda have to. Look at that topstrap. Yow 'Tis a beefy bugger. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 12, 2019 23:35:35 GMT -5
When it gets to that size and weight, it's time for a 1911. Fancy modern tech that holds 8 shots! I would love to have a long slide in 357 Sig.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 5:55:59 GMT -5
That revolver is not that big. Three ounces lighter than a 1911 and a a half inch shorter. Thicker because of the cylinder though. 357 SIG would be fun in a 1911. I wonder if anyone is doing one?
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Post by simnettpratt on Aug 13, 2019 6:06:18 GMT -5
I believe Sig is the only current manufacturer of .357 Sig 1911s. Not all that surprising really. Buds is out of stock, but I found some at Tombstone Tactical.  |
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Post by toshtego on Aug 13, 2019 9:06:53 GMT -5
I have gone on record several times making clear my position.
I favor a 1911 in .357 Sig as made by Sig Sauer.
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Post by toshtego on Aug 13, 2019 9:11:09 GMT -5
Got it in my head that I want one of these to complement my 44 Special. Handy dandy. There is a place for that one on my belt. Certainly not pocket carry! I have my doubts about short barrel guns loaded with magnum cartridges but could make an exception here. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 13, 2019 9:57:19 GMT -5
That revolver is not that big. Three ounces lighter than a 1911 and a a half inch shorter. Thicker because of the cylinder though. 357 SIG would be fun in a 1911. I wonder if anyone is doing one? That's all true. And even heavier when loaded. But I am a much better shot with a 1911 than with any revolver. My 44 Mag is 9 oz lighter and makes a bigger hole. The Ruger in 44 special weighs the same as the 357/7, holds 5, and has chamber walls the same thickness as a Model 29, and a heavier top strap. It could easily be a magnum. It weighs more than the 629 too. I am sure it's a good gun. But it's not what I would carry if I knew I was going in harm's way. I have battle pistols for that. I just can't lug 3 lbs of metal around Texas in the heat waiting for something to happen. I am certain that it's a fine gun, but nothing carries its weight like a 1911. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 13, 2019 10:00:13 GMT -5
I wish Rock Island would come out with a 357 Sig with a six inch barrel. That cartridge would get over a hundred more fps in the extra inch, with less blast. The 357 Sig is very rude in a 4 inch barrel.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 13, 2019 10:10:52 GMT -5
I have gone on record several times making clear my position.
I favor a 1911 in .357 Sig as made by Sig Sauer.
2 of my nephews have Sig 45s, but they never shoot them. They are so heavily textured all over that it's like holding a handful of tacks. Being as you are a farmer and do manual work all the time it would be fine for you, but we are all retired from desk jobs and can endanger our tender little pinkies. The older nephew has dozens of expensive guns but his favorites to shop are a couple of small frame Taurus 44s, and a Colt 1911 A1. The younger nephew never shoots his handguns at all. His home protection device is a H&R 10 gauge with an 18 inch barrel, and his backup is a Barret. Yes, strange only begins to describe him. He's also a minister. |
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Post by toshtego on Aug 13, 2019 10:18:13 GMT -5
That revolver is not that big. Three ounces lighter than a 1911 and a a half inch shorter. Thicker because of the cylinder though. 357 SIG would be fun in a 1911. I wonder if anyone is doing one? That's all true. And even heavier when loaded. But I am a much better shot with a 1911 than with any revolver. My 44 Mag is 9 oz lighter and makes a bigger hole. The Ruger in 44 special weighs the same as the 357/7, holds 5, and has chamber walls the same thickness as a Model 29, and a heavier top strap. It could easily be a magnum. It weighs more than the 629 too. I am sure it's a good gun. But it's not what I would carry if I knew I was going in harm's way. I have battle pistols for that. I just can't lug 3 lbs of metal around Texas in the heat waiting for something to happen. I am certain that it's a fine gun, but nothing carries its weight like a 1911. That is the conundrum of concealed carry. That is why I have an old Cobra and had a another alloy Colt, the "Agent", years before. It is a compromise situation. A 1911, even a Commander style, is a large and heavy piece to carry on day to day rounds. Certainly, no other handgun has so proven its worth in countless battles. The only time I carried mine concealed was during the trips to town to the bank after a busy weekend at the restaurant. |
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Post by toshtego on Aug 13, 2019 10:19:46 GMT -5
I have gone on record several times making clear my position.
I favor a 1911 in .357 Sig as made by Sig Sauer.
2 of my nephews have Sig 45s, but they never shoot them. They are so heavily textured all over that it's like holding a handful of tacks. Being as you are a farmer and do manual work all the time it would be fine for you, but we are all retired from desk jobs and can endanger our tender little pinkies. The older nephew has dozens of expensive guns but his favorites to shop are a couple of small frame Taurus 44s, and a Colt 1911 A1. The younger nephew never shoots his handguns at all. His home protection device is a H&R 10 gauge with an 18 inch barrel, and his backup is a Barret. Yes, strange only begins to describe him. He's also a minister. Mighty is the arm of The Lord! |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 13, 2019 13:25:42 GMT -5
That's all true. And even heavier when loaded. But I am a much better shot with a 1911 than with any revolver. My 44 Mag is 9 oz lighter and makes a bigger hole. The Ruger in 44 special weighs the same as the 357/7, holds 5, and has chamber walls the same thickness as a Model 29, and a heavier top strap. It could easily be a magnum. It weighs more than the 629 too. I am sure it's a good gun. But it's not what I would carry if I knew I was going in harm's way. I have battle pistols for that. I just can't lug 3 lbs of metal around Texas in the heat waiting for something to happen. I am certain that it's a fine gun, but nothing carries its weight like a 1911. That is the conundrum of concealed carry. That is why I have an old Cobra and had a another alloy Colt, the "Agent", years before. It is a compromise situation. A 1911, even a Commander style, is a large and heavy piece to carry on day to day rounds. Certainly, no other handgun has so proven its worth in countless battles. The only time I carried mine concealed was during the trips to town to the bank after a busy weekend at the restaurant. I have tried to carry a couple of dozen sidearms, and in my opinion, ounce for ounce the 1911 plain government model is the easiest to carry out of all the "battle" pistols. If 8 rounds of 45 ACP does not solve my immediate problem, I probably did something really stupid. Being able to hit the target is important and the 1911 excels at that. If there weren't so many opinions there wouldn't be so many choices. But it is big and, although easier to conceal than similar sized pistols, it is still a challenge for me. One nephew is 5'11" and 155 lbs and he always has his on him, even when you would swear that he was unarmed. My extra 85 lbs takes up the vacant space where he hides his. 😁 I thought about having the space where my left kidney used to be into a space for a holster, but I'm right handed and it would be the wrong angle for cross draw. 🤠 My favorite current pistol is the much maligned Remington R51. It points like a dream, half the size and weight of the 1911, I can shoot it better and it holds 8+1 rounds of 9mm Plus P. I can shoot groups with it as good as I could with the Model 52 Master. If I lose another 5-10 lbs it will become my constant companion. I think it's 22ozs, thinner than the 1911, and very smooth and streamlined. I even like the Factory grips. If only Remington hadn't screwed up the first iteration so badly. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 13:33:34 GMT -5
The snub GP and a 1911 weigh about the same loaded. I would be well armed with either. I shoot double action revolvers very well, but am still better with most of my pistols. I have open carried both when out in the wild. They can get heavy when rockhounding or backpacking. I go with something lighter if I am going to be far from my truck. Something like a Shield or Glock 43X works great for that and CCW. Or a J frame. Lots of options to be had these days. 45 or 357 is going to get the job done most of the time. To be honest, 90% of my time in the back country has been spent with only a knife for protection. The city critters are more of a concern for me.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 13, 2019 13:34:38 GMT -5
This revolver thread has drifted, but that's OK with me. Not sure about the OP's thoughts. 😁 As with any revolver thread, the subject of defense against bears came up. It starts with someone like me who says that he would be comfortable in the woods with his hot loaded 44 Special, then someone says that the 44 Mag is too small and the 454 Casull is the way to go if you're not man enough to haul a 500 S&W around on your daily hikes. In this article, these guys found all the available documented incidents involving handguns used in self defense against bears. Just to provoke y'all, I will just say that they are very effective and that the 9mm has the same success rate as the 454.😎😁🤠 www.ammoland.com/2018/02/defense-against-bears-with-pistols-97-success-rate-37-incidents-by-caliber/#axzz5wUl4Nfq6 |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 13, 2019 13:39:00 GMT -5
The snub GP and a 1911 weigh about the same loaded. I would be well armed with either. I shoot double action revolvers very well, but am still better with most of my pistols. I have open carried both when out in the wild. They can get heavy when rockhounding or backpacking. I go with something lighter if I am going to be far from my truck. Something like a Shield or Glock 43X works great for that and CCW. Or a J frame. Lots of options to be had these days. 45 or 357 is going to get the job done most of the time. To be honest, 90% of my time in the back country has been spent with only a knife for protection. The city critters are more of a concern for me. Ditto. The only time I have actually hiked in the absolute wilderness was in Pine Canyon in Big Bend Natl.Park. The only predator known to be in the area was a medium sized mountain lion. I was happy with my 6 shot 3" 38 Special. If I had actually seen the critter I might have been less than happy, but still alive. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 13, 2019 13:45:09 GMT -5
I mentioned that I would like to have a 357 Sig earlier. I have since reviewed the cartridge and revised my opinion. They have proven to be no more effective than the 9mm+P, but with much more recoil and blast. Same thing that separates pistols from revolvers, the size of the rock that they can throw. 357 Mag 200 grains but commonly 158gr, 357 Sig 147 grain, but mostly 125gr. It appears to be heading to a niche cartridge. Just buy the 40 and be happier.
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Post by bigwoolie on Aug 13, 2019 17:20:15 GMT -5
The secret to comfortably carrying a heavier weapon on a regular basis is the belt and holster. I can't understand buying a $400.00 - $1200.00 weapon and then putting in a $20.00 nylon Uncle Mike's holster attached to a $12.00 Wal-Mart belt. It's like buying a $1200.00 car stereo and hooking it up to a pair of $30.00 speakers from Costco. It's kind of pointless.
You've seen how they dressed in Texas years ago...and the weaponry they carried. After a certain point, comfort is a state of mind. I paid $90.00 for my kydex-lined leather belt and another $70.00 for the current holster I use to carry my 5" 1911 concealed all day long. A lot of money? Yeah...but there's nothing riding on it but my life. And if I suddenly need it, I don't have to regret having left it at home because it was just too heavy.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 13, 2019 18:04:00 GMT -5
You've seen how they dressed in Texas years ago...and the weaponry they carried. Dewayne, I'm not THAT old! Open carry was banned in Texas before my father was born in 1900. I would be very comfortable wearing a full rig from El Paso Saddlery around town, but the other folks wouldn't like it much. The concealment is the problem. Having to hold the gun next to your hot sweaty body is an issue. As far as the wilderness, it is dependent on where I'm going. I can carry my Blackhawk comfortably, but I don't have a reason to. If you are going out to poke grizzlies, God be with you. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 19:39:05 GMT -5
I mentioned that I would like to have a 357 Sig earlier. I have since reviewed the cartridge and revised my opinion. They have proven to be no more effective than the 9mm+P, but with much more recoil and blast. Same thing that separates pistols from revolvers, the size of the rock that they can throw. 357 Mag 200 grains but commonly 158gr, 357 Sig 147 grain, but mostly 125gr. It appears to be heading to a niche cartridge. Just buy the 40 and be happier. I came to similar conclusions about 357 SIG. 40 S&W isn't broke and delivers a great combination of velocity and bullet mass. I shoot a fair bit of it from a SIG P226. It's a tank. I reload all my pistol ammo and decided against any case I could not use carbide dies with. Thus, no 357 SIG for me. I might get a Luger in 7.65 Luger, but that is a special situation. |
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Post by bigwoolie on Aug 13, 2019 19:41:36 GMT -5
You've seen how they dressed in Texas years ago...and the weaponry they carried. Dewayne, I'm not THAT old! Open carry was banned in Texas before my father was born in 1900. I would be very comfortable wearing a full rig from El Paso Saddlery around town, but the other folks wouldn't like it much. The concealment is the problem. Having to hold the gun next to your hot sweaty body is an issue. As far as the wilderness, it is dependent on where I'm going. I can carry my Blackhawk comfortably, but I don't have a reason to. If you are going out to poke grizzlies, God be with you. I was referring to old photos, and how uncomfortable that must of been. |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Aug 13, 2019 20:17:41 GMT -5
Used to have a "cowboy" type double holsters with the bullet loops all around to go with my pair of S&W nickel finished .357's It sure looked purty but where in Florida could I get away with wearing it...sold it with the pair when I moved up to Tall. and was broke...bummed me out for a year.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 13, 2019 20:54:49 GMT -5
Dewayne, I'm not THAT old! Open carry was banned in Texas before my father was born in 1900. I would be very comfortable wearing a full rig from El Paso Saddlery around town, but the other folks wouldn't like it much. The concealment is the problem. Having to hold the gun next to your hot sweaty body is an issue. As far as the wilderness, it is dependent on where I'm going. I can carry my Blackhawk comfortably, but I don't have a reason to. If you are going out to poke grizzlies, God be with you. I was referring to old photos, and how uncomfortable that must of been. 😎🤣🤠 |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 13, 2019 20:57:10 GMT -5
Used to have a "cowboy" type double holsters with the bullet loops all around to go with my pair of S&W nickel finished .357's It sure looked purty but where in Florida could I get away with wearing it...sold it with the pair when I moved up to Tall. and was broke...bummed me out for a year. I hear that. Most of my gun trades have involved a lack of liquidity. I have too many, but I am missing some of the greatest that I have owned. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 0:34:01 GMT -5
Getting the GP100 44 back from Cabelas tomorrow morning. It better be right.
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