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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 15, 2019 12:43:30 GMT -5
The Siamese Mauser 45/70 is an American thing. It has caught on in Africa too. I must have miss read your OP. I thought the cartridge was .45-90, similar to our old Buffalo rounds. I know .45-70 well enough. Had a Model 1886 and and a Marlin 1895. The 45/90 is just a 3/10ths longer 45/70. You can shoot both in the longer chamber. The Mauser is reamed out to 45/90,the H&R is undecided at this time, but it will probably remain as a 45/70. I am about to ream the throat which won't allow it to chamber anything longer than a 325 grain Hornaday. Even a 350 round nose runs into the rifling. I throated the Mauser so that even a 500 grain bullet will have a jump to the rifling, allowing heavier loads without the high initial peak pressure. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 15, 2019 13:11:07 GMT -5
I would love to find an article from 1895 about the reception of the new fangled 30 Winchester. It is still a fantastic cartridge. Of course I shoot it out of a 1894 just as God and Oliver and John Moses intended. I love 30-30, Ron. I shoot it in a 1885 High Wall. My rifle is from the late 1890's. A real soft shooting tack driver. I can run it pretty fast if I have to. Fast enough to put a second shot on target in a couple of seconds anyway. I'm always on the lookout for a Savage 340 bolt action and a Savage 219 single shot in 30-30. The 219 is actually a very elegant little rifle. |
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Post by toshtego on Sept 15, 2019 15:53:26 GMT -5
I owned a few .30-30s over the years. Prefer the Winchester .25-35 cartridge.
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Post by trailboss on Sept 15, 2019 16:03:26 GMT -5
I always wanted one of these...the obscure ones in .22 High Power are the priciest.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 18:04:14 GMT -5
I had a Savage 99 in .308. Would not mind one in 300 Savage or 303 Savage.
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Post by toshtego on Sept 15, 2019 18:28:29 GMT -5
When I was just a boy, an older neighbor (a teenager) had a Savage in .22 Hi-Power. He was the envy of the neighborhood. He boasted of all the deer he and his dad had taken with it.
I have long thought the Savage 99 is an elegant rifle and would love to own one.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 15, 2019 18:28:37 GMT -5
I had a Savage 99 in .308. Would not mind one in 300 Savage or 303 Savage. Ditto! The old 303 era rifles were the finest! |
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 15, 2019 19:11:17 GMT -5
I owned a few .30-30s over the years. Prefer the Winchester .25-35 cartridge.
Man, that's an old one! I know they are making it again, but I haven't heard anything about it recently. I guess if the 45/70 can thrive then anything is possible. |
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Post by toshtego on Sept 15, 2019 19:18:44 GMT -5
I owned a few .30-30s over the years. Prefer the Winchester .25-35 cartridge.
Man, that's an old one! I know they are making it again, but I haven't heard anything about it recently. I guess if the 45/70 can thrive then anything is possible. As a youth, I knew men who hunted our smallish Blacktail California deer successfully. Preferring the flatter shooting, higher velocity .25 over the heavy, slow .30-30. That is what they said, anyway. AND, I remember the Gallery and Tower Guards at San Quentin State Prison were armed with the Winchester 94 in .25-35 back in 1966 when I had the chance to "visit". They also appreciated the flatter shooting characteristics. I had the opportunity to shoot a Winchester 94 in .25-35 at a range many years ago and was impressed with how I did. I had a .30-30 Model 94 at the time. As you know, there are people out there, me being one, who are just enamored with a .25 or 6.5 mm bullet in any cartridge. I had a .25-06 I just loved and still have a 6.5 mm Krag which I am also fond of. For the flat shooting open country hereabouts, the .25-35 or .25-06 makes perfect sense without having to go into the Magnum cartridges. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 15, 2019 20:09:57 GMT -5
I know several people who hunt the big South Texas deer and NM antelope with the 25-06. It's so overbore that it's really a magnum cartridge. Hits like a military laser from all accounts. I have an aversion to muzzle blast, but not recoil. I had a Savage 110 7mm Mag that weighed 10 pounds with the heavy barrel that I could not shoot for the flinch it induced. I bought a Ruger 270 Ultra light with the 20 inch barrel and it was just as bad. I had shot a 270 Winchester with a 25 inch barrel before and liked it. I like a 35 Whelen much better than the smaller bore versions of the same cartridge. I think I would be OK with a 250 Savage in a 28" barrel. 🥴😁🤠
I wear double ear protection when shooting the 450 Bushmaster. Even with just muffs I like it a lot more than the 5.56 out of a 20" barrel. That's why my ARs are in 300 Blackout and 450 Bushmaster. All my ARs have muzzle devices that direct the sound forward. I use an oil filter on the front of the 5.56 at my friends ranch that makes it shootable for me. I understand why the veterans are suing the makers of the ineffective earplugs that didn't protect their hearing from the 5.56 in the 14" barrels that the government inflicted on them. Everyone would have been better off with the M14 in my opinion. I also don't shoot 357 in a hand gun, and the only 44 mags I shoot in the snubby are for entertainment purposes only as most ammo through it has been standard 44 Spl loads. I have in mind a 180gr wadcutter for the snub over 6 grains of Red Dot. I'm searching for volunteers to test the end result.
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Post by toshtego on Sept 15, 2019 21:17:03 GMT -5
I know several people who hunt the big South Texas deer and NM antelope with the 25-06. It's so overbore that it's really a magnum cartridge. Hits like a military laser from all accounts. I have an aversion to muzzle blast, but not recoil. I had a Savage 110 7mm Mag that weighed 10 pounds with the heavy barrel that I could not shoot for the flinch it induced. I bought a Ruger 270 Ultra light with the 20 inch barrel and it was just as bad. I had shot a 270 Winchester with a 25 inch barrel before and liked it. I like a 35 Whelen much better than the smaller bore versions of the same cartridge. I think I would be OK with a 250 Savage in a 28" barrel. 🥴😁🤠 I wear double ear protection when shooting the 450 Bushmaster. Even with just muffs I like it a lot more than the 5.56 out of a 20" barrel. That's why my ARs are in 300 Blackout and 450 Bushmaster. All my ARs have muzzle devices that direct the sound forward. I use an oil filter on the front of the 5.56 at my friends ranch that makes it shootable for me. I understand why the veterans are suing the makers of the ineffective earplugs that didn't protect their hearing from the 5.56 in the 14" barrels that the government inflicted on them. Everyone would have been better off with the M14 in my opinion. I also don't shoot 357 in a hand gun, and the only 44 mags I shoot in the snubby are for entertainment purposes only as most ammo through it has been standard 44 Spl loads. I have in mind a 180gr wadcutter for the snub over 6 grains of Red Dot. I'm searching for volunteers to test the end result. I agree about the M-14.
For many reasons. Not the least of which is it takes training, lots of training to learn how to effectively master that rifle. The M-16 on the other hand was a light weight, easy to handle, not very accurate, but spray and pray, alternative. The militarily could crank out recruits in less time and at less cost with the plastic wonder. It was cheaper to arm with. Easier to carry. It made perfect sense for the thinking of the 1960s.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 21:36:18 GMT -5
My favorite rifles as I get older tend to be medium bore, mid range rifles. I have a Howa in 6.5 Grendel that is soft recoiling and very accurate. I could do most anything that I would need a rifle for, with that gun. Not ideal for large game, but it could work with careful shot placement.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 15, 2019 21:55:22 GMT -5
Looks like 3 of us keeping this thread alive.
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Post by trailboss on Sept 15, 2019 23:19:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 0:14:22 GMT -5
I didn't have the patience to slog through to his comments. Too many words for my tired brain tonight.
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Post by trailboss on Sept 16, 2019 0:26:24 GMT -5
The cliffnote:
They made dozens of modifications without consulting Stoner, used ball powder as a propellant that the rifle was never engineered to use causing 50% of rifles in some scenarios to jam... that alone is criminal, but that just scratches the surface.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 0:57:58 GMT -5
I know the history, I thought maybe there was something new in there somewhere...
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 16, 2019 8:17:14 GMT -5
I ask myself when considering any firearm, What Would John Moses Do.
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Post by toshtego on Sept 16, 2019 9:41:38 GMT -5
I ask myself when considering any firearm, What Would John Moses Do. No one can go far wrong with either John -- Browning or Garand. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 14:30:36 GMT -5
Is JMB's greatest design the M2 50 caliber machine gun, the 1911, Colt Woodsman or one of his lever action rifles? Pump shotgun? I would be hard pressed to decide between the 1911 and the M2.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 16, 2019 14:57:41 GMT -5
I found that my front sight on the mortor is in a dovetail. I never looked at it that closely before. It is noticeably shifted right which explains why the gun shoots 7" left at 15 yards. As soon as I can find my tiny allen wrenches I will be able to get it sorted out. I have ordered 3 additional weights of wadcutters for some test loads. 150,173,and 185 grains.
For anti personnel loads they will be good. If I run into a grizzly I can just shoot another hiker. Somewhere that would make him scream a lot. 👿🙄😇🤠
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Post by toshtego on Sept 16, 2019 16:16:45 GMT -5
Is JMB's greatest design the M2 50 caliber machine gun, the 1911, Colt Woodsman or one of his lever action rifles? Pump shotgun? I would be hard pressed to decide between the 1911 and the M2. For me, the Model 1935 Pistol or the Model 1895 Winchester. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 16:50:12 GMT -5
I have yet to own either of those, John. I have had a few 1894's though. I would take an 1895 in 405.
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Post by toshtego on Sept 16, 2019 17:35:17 GMT -5
I have yet to own either of those, John. I have had a few 1894's though. I would take an 1895 in 405. I had a Model 1895 in .30 Government (aka ".30-06") made in the 1920s. "Made with Nickle Steel, ESPECIALLY for smokeless powder". As though Winchester was not certain smokeless was here to stay. It shot beautifully and with that crescent steel butt plate plate properly fitted to the shoulder, was not that hard in recoil. There was a limit on cartridge pressure, so, the ammo had to be watched carefully. 26,000 sticks in my mind but I do not recall well enough. I really wanted one in .30-40 but that is what I found. Very sorry to have sold it. .405 would be interesting. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 16, 2019 18:50:26 GMT -5
I have yet to own either of those, John. I have had a few 1894's though. I would take an 1895 in 405. No Shite! 😁😁😇🤠 |
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 16, 2019 18:56:01 GMT -5
I have yet to own either of those, John. I have had a few 1894's though. I would take an 1895 in 405. I had a Model 1895 in .30 Government (aka ".30-06") made in the 1920s. "Made with Nickle Steel, ESPECIALLY for smokeless powder". As though Winchester was not certain smokeless was here to stay. It shot beautifully and with that crescent steel butt plate plate properly fitted to the shoulder, was not that hard in recoil. There was a limit on cartridge pressure, so, the ammo had to be watched carefully. 26,000 sticks in my mind but I do not recall well enough. I really wanted one in .30-40 but that is what I found. Very sorry to have sold it. .405 would be interesting. The military standard for the Garand ammo is 42k psi, but SAAMI pressure for sporting ammo is 60k pounds. I am sure that the 95 would be good with the government ammo. I found that Hornaday ammo in the Garand it a big mistake. I wish I had known about the low pressure ammo before I traded off my otherwise nice rifle. The modern 1895 repros can handle anything you can stuff in them. |
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Post by toshtego on Sept 16, 2019 20:07:50 GMT -5
I had a Model 1895 in .30 Government (aka ".30-06") made in the 1920s. "Made with Nickle Steel, ESPECIALLY for smokeless powder". As though Winchester was not certain smokeless was here to stay. It shot beautifully and with that crescent steel butt plate plate properly fitted to the shoulder, was not that hard in recoil. There was a limit on cartridge pressure, so, the ammo had to be watched carefully. 26,000 sticks in my mind but I do not recall well enough. I really wanted one in .30-40 but that is what I found. Very sorry to have sold it. .405 would be interesting. The military standard for the Garand ammo is 42k psi, but SAAMI pressure for sporting ammo is 60k pounds. I am sure that the 95 would be good with the government ammo. I found that Hornaday ammo in the Garand it a big mistake. I wish I had known about the low pressure ammo before I traded off my otherwise nice rifle. The modern 1895 repros can handle anything you can stuff in them. I cannot remember the numbers. Just that lowest pressure ammo should be used. I always wanted to reload to .30-40 specs but never got around to it. Did you bend the operating rod in your M1 Garand? |
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 16, 2019 21:08:19 GMT -5
The military standard for the Garand ammo is 42k psi, but SAAMI pressure for sporting ammo is 60k pounds. I am sure that the 95 would be good with the government ammo. I found that Hornaday ammo in the Garand it a big mistake. I wish I had known about the low pressure ammo before I traded off my otherwise nice rifle. The modern 1895 repros can handle anything you can stuff in them. I cannot remember the numbers. Just that lowest pressure ammo should be used. I always wanted to reload to .30-40 specs but never got around to it. Did you bend the operating rod in your M1 Garand? I don't know. I only shot it a few times. Maybe one clip. (actually A CLIP!). It wasn't anything like I imagined. The recoil was very bad. And the overall experience made me realize that the guys who had to carry it were special. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 21:19:08 GMT -5
M2 cartridges for the Garand are readily available. I had a ton of Lake City ammo and brass plus newly loaded Federal M2 level loads when I was still a Garand owner. Powder selection is important when making loads for the Garand. H4895, IMR4895 and IMR4064 are all perfect for M2 loads.
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