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Post by bonanzadriver on Oct 2, 2020 22:41:42 GMT -5
As some of you may know, I've been a private pilot for 30 years. So, as you may very well surmise, I am a member of an airplane owners and pilots forum.... Beechtalk. Just out of curiosity I looked at how many folks from that community were online tonight.... Then I looked at our beloved BriarPatch... Now in all fairness, When I joined Beechtalk, over 10 years ago, I was the 650th member and it's now over 60K. But come on fellas! We got to get the word out amongst our fellow pipers and get them to join this fantastic site and group of pipers! (just my $0.02) cheers
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 3, 2020 3:48:49 GMT -5
That's some difference.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 3:55:20 GMT -5
I hear ya, and I see what you're saying. I visit most of all the English and French speaking pipe smokers forums and am a member of a total 4. Besides a very few exceptions, I have noticed a significant decrease in daily participation or participation, period, over the last 6 to 7 years. I don't know if it's because less people smoke a pipe, pipe smokers have concurrent interests that they dedicate more time to, a mixture of both or something else. There is also the fact that the younger generations are more Tweeter, Instagram and Facebook oriented. Sharing, reposting, liking, rather than discussing. Forums are mediums for 'elderly' (read: less cool) people, in their minds.
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Post by Stearmandriver on Oct 3, 2020 4:43:43 GMT -5
I'd bet there's a lot more pilots than pipesmokers around (which is pretty wild when you think about it), but aviation is also often a "techy" or "gadgety" pursuit. Thus, I feel like a much larger percentage of pilots would be motivated to spend time on internet forums. We all know pipesmokers are an old fashioned, antisocial, curmudgeonly lot... maybe that has something to do with it? I'm kidding of course, but only kind of. I've always wondered if those of us who like to talk (online or in person) about all the nuances of pipe styles, tobacco blends etc., aren't a small, fringe subset of pipesmokers in general? As an example, my father recently picked the pipe back up after switching to drug store cigars for years. I gave him samples of 965 and MacBaren Scottish Mixture, and he couldn't tell them apart. He happily smokes Captain Black. I'm guessing there's a lot of pipers like him out there. Maybe... maybe WE'RE the weird ones?!
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Post by simnettpratt on Oct 3, 2020 5:55:23 GMT -5
I think part of it could be there's always something new to learn in aviation, but once you can keep a pipe lit, and figure out you like VaPers, how much left is there to learn?
I have a book called Wiley Microsoft Flight Simulator X For Pilot's Real World Training, and that just covers the basics, from your first flight in a J-3 Cub, to flying a Beech Baron with a feathered engine, and the book is 747 pages long. It doesn't cover the big jets, amphibians, mountain flying, helicopters or whatever, just the basics of navigation, communications, and airport procedures etc.
I'd be hard pressed to write a 747 page book about pipe smoking that only covered the basics.
That, plus all the smokers who need but one pipe and a pouch of Capt. Black, and can't tell the difference between Scottish Mixture and 965 (WTH?!), so wouldn't have anything to add to a pipe site, or any interest in joining.
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 3, 2020 6:54:39 GMT -5
Some really good points there. I would kinda see my pipe smoking as a hobby rather than a way of life, so this is an interest for me. For many others, it's just something they do, and therefore not really something to talk about.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 8:56:52 GMT -5
Sometimes, I do envy those pipe smokers that own one pipe and smoke only one blend.
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 3, 2020 10:15:31 GMT -5
Sometimes, I do envy those pipe smokers that own one pipe and smoke only one blend. Their piping life is certainly easier.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Oct 3, 2020 10:23:30 GMT -5
Sometimes, I do envy those pipe smokers that own one pipe and smoke only one blend. Not me....I love the various blends and different pipes that I enjoy...I would find pipe smoking boring otherwise...and the friendships that you can develop over such a small thing such as pipe smoking...truly priceless.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 3, 2020 11:35:13 GMT -5
I have a friend who currently doesn't own a plane that visits the Beechcraft forum. He has had 3 planes, none were Beech and all were under 20k. But he's a flight geek.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 3, 2020 11:35:57 GMT -5
Sometimes, I do envy those pipe smokers that own one pipe and smoke only one blend. Not me....I love the various blends and different pipes that I enjoy...I would find pipe smoking boring otherwise...and the friendships that you can develop over such a small thing such as pipe smoking...truly priceless. I was very happy when I had one pipe and only smoked a couple of blends.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 3, 2020 11:37:36 GMT -5
I think part of it could be there's always something new to learn in aviation, but once you can keep a pipe lit, and figure out you like VaPers, how much left is there to learn? I have a book called Wiley Microsoft Flight Simulator X For Pilot's Real World Training, and that just covers the basics, from your first flight in a J-3 Cub, to flying a Beech Baron with a feathered engine, and the book is 747 pages long. It doesn't cover the big jets, amphibians, mountain flying, helicopters or whatever, just the basics of navigation, communications, and airport procedures etc. I'd be hard pressed to write a 747 page book about pipe smoking that only covered the basics. That, plus all the smokers who need but one pipe and a pouch of Capt. Black, and can't tell the difference between Scottish Mixture and 965 (WTH?!), so wouldn't have anything to add to a pipe site, or any interest in joining. I think that you could cover everything about pipes in less than 747 pages, except for Jiminks reviews.
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Post by trailboss on Oct 3, 2020 12:33:02 GMT -5
Pipe smoking is a solitary endeavor for a large percentage of pipe smokers that are content to buy a pound of True Valu peach tobacco for less than we pay for a tin.
We are a narrow slice of the pipe smoking community.
I have approached a few guys that sauntered into the cigar lounge to buy their aromatic bulk blends, and invited them to the pipe club. More than once, I got the vibe that they thought it weird at such a notion, consequently, I let our business cards by the bulks do the talking.
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Post by chasingembers on Oct 3, 2020 14:07:05 GMT -5
Probably from less fear of crashing a pipe.
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 3, 2020 14:31:18 GMT -5
Probably from less fear of crashing a pipe. 😂😂 you might be on to something.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 3, 2020 16:48:15 GMT -5
Not to get off topic onto why I stopped smoking my pipe while driving! 😁 🤠
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Post by simnettpratt on Oct 3, 2020 16:55:19 GMT -5
I'm a certified aviation geek, and have never owned a plane and probably never will. I do have several thousand hours flying flight sims, and thousands more in book learning, have flown in a bunch of regional transports and private planes flying for business when I worked for my rich friend's dad, and there's much more to learn. There are not ten thousand hours out there in studying the ways of the pipe.
Pipe smoking is more a reflectionary, solitary thing, though you are both surprised and delighted to find it seems to attract a higher quality, generous group of folks.
Flying a plane, even virtually, constantly engages the brain; you're calculating, remembering to check the whiskey compass every ten minutes to adjust your directional gyro, picking the field every few seconds you'll glide to if you lose the engine right now, scanning for traffic, monitoring the radio chatter in case someone says Cessna four papa frank, ensuring a pressure gauge isn't dropping or a temperature gauge isn't rising - it fires you up and keeps you on your toes, because the consequences can be worse than a burn hole in your shirt.
Pipe smoking is peaceful and relaxing, for when your adrenaline junkie brain needs a break. You can enjoy the pipe with one cob and a pouch of drugstore aromatic, and never learn a damn thing.
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Post by simnettpratt on Oct 3, 2020 16:58:06 GMT -5
I used to carry a bullet of snuff when driving specifically to snort some in front of a cop to see what would happen. Not a good idea - no possible good outcome for me.
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Post by bonanzadriver on Oct 3, 2020 23:49:55 GMT -5
I'd bet there's a lot more pilots than pipesmokers around (which is pretty wild when you think about it), but aviation is also often a "techy" or "gadgety" pursuit. Thus, I feel like a much larger percentage of pilots would be motivated to spend time on internet forums. We all know pipesmokers are an old fashioned, antisocial, curmudgeonly lot... maybe that has something to do with it? I'm kidding of course, but only kind of. I've always wondered if those of us who like to talk (online or in person) about all the nuances of pipe styles, tobacco blends etc., aren't a small, fringe subset of pipesmokers in general? As an example, my father recently picked the pipe back up after switching to drug store cigars for years. I gave him samples of 965 and MacBaren Scottish Mixture, and he couldn't tell them apart. He happily smokes Captain Black. I'm guessing there's a lot of pipers like him out there. Maybe... maybe WE'RE the weird ones?! Good point. According to the interweb, there are somewhere around 650K registered pilots in the U.S. I just assumed that there were most likely that many pipe smokers? Maybe not.
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Post by bonanzadriver on Oct 4, 2020 0:21:17 GMT -5
I'm a certified aviation geek, and have never owned a plane and probably never will. I do have several thousand hours flying flight sims, and thousands more in book learning, have flown in a bunch of regional transports and private planes flying for business when I worked for my rich friend's dad, and there's much more to learn. There are not ten thousand hours out there in studying the ways of the pipe. Pipe smoking is more a reflectionary, solitary thing, though you are both surprised and delighted to find it seems to attract a higher quality, generous group of folks. Flying a plane, even virtually, constantly engages the brain; you're calculating, remembering to check the whiskey compass every ten minutes to adjust your directional gyro, picking the field every few seconds you'll glide to if you lose the engine right now, scanning for traffic, monitoring the radio chatter in case someone says Cessna four papa frank, ensuring a pressure gauge isn't dropping or a temperature gauge isn't rising - it fires you up and keeps you on your toes, because the consequences can be worse than a burn hole in your shirt. Pipe smoking is peaceful and relaxing, for when your adrenaline junkie brain needs a break. You can enjoy the pipe with one cob and a pouch of drugstore aromatic, and never learn a damn thing. Obviously there are plenty of things to stay on top of while one is piloting an airplane. That being said, it was some the most amazing times I have ever had the pleasure of experiencing. Nothing like leveling off @ 11,500' headin North East from Naples FL up to Pinehurst NC while watching the sun set over the tip of your left wingtip, all while listening to SRV Riviera Paradise over your ANR Bose Headsets and enjoyin a nice Arturo Fuente.
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Post by bonanzadriver on Oct 4, 2020 0:26:29 GMT -5
Pipe smoking is a solitary endeavor for a large percentage of pipe smokers that are content to buy a pound of True Valu peach tobacco for less than we pay for a tin. We are a narrow slice of the pipe smoking community. I have approached a few guys that sauntered into the cigar lounge to buy their aromatic bulk blends, and invited them to the pipe club. More than once, I got the vibe that they thought it weird at such a notion, consequently, I let our business cards by the bulks do the talking. Hey Boss, I resemble that remark! I definitely have a pound or so of True Value Peach, and a couple of lbs of Sutliff Peach Cobbler, not to mention a pound or more of the other offerings of peach pipe tobaccos. Although definitely an English and VaPer fan, I do love me some Peach! ;-)
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Post by trailboss on Oct 4, 2020 1:16:02 GMT -5
Nothing derogatory about the guys that buy the tru value bulks, God Bless them. they play a big role in the pipe tobacco business, and if they weren’t around it would be slim pickings for us.
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Post by okie on Oct 4, 2020 5:15:12 GMT -5
Unfortunately dedicated forums are being eaten up by social media giants like the book of faces, red it, etc. March of progress...
ETA: There is hope, though, because those platforms are increasingly persecuting anything that doesn't jive with their political correctness. Since tobacco gets a bad rap, they might start forcing those groups and subs out of existence, which will push people back to the mom and pop message boards.
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Post by Legend Lover on Oct 4, 2020 9:05:51 GMT -5
Unfortunately dedicated forums are being eaten up by social media giants like the book of faces, red it, etc. March of progress... ETA: There is hope, though, because those platforms are increasingly persecuting anything that doesn't jive with their political correctness. Since tobacco gets a bad rap, they might start forcing those groups and subs out of existence, which will push people back to the mom and pop message boards. Good point. Maybe we'll see a resurgence in time.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 4, 2020 17:23:29 GMT -5
I'd bet there's a lot more pilots than pipesmokers around (which is pretty wild when you think about it), but aviation is also often a "techy" or "gadgety" pursuit. Thus, I feel like a much larger percentage of pilots would be motivated to spend time on internet forums. We all know pipesmokers are an old fashioned, antisocial, curmudgeonly lot... maybe that has something to do with it? I'm kidding of course, but only kind of. I've always wondered if those of us who like to talk (online or in person) about all the nuances of pipe styles, tobacco blends etc., aren't a small, fringe subset of pipesmokers in general? As an example, my father recently picked the pipe back up after switching to drug store cigars for years. I gave him samples of 965 and MacBaren Scottish Mixture, and he couldn't tell them apart. He happily smokes Captain Black. I'm guessing there's a lot of pipers like him out there. Maybe... maybe WE'RE the weird ones?! Good point. According to the interweb, there are somewhere around 650K registered pilots in the U.S. I just assumed that there were most likely that many pipe smokers? Maybe not. The last report I saw estimated that there were 2.5 million pipe smokers in North America. That's 0.5% of the population.
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Post by trailboss on Oct 4, 2020 20:50:55 GMT -5
Unfortunately dedicated forums are being eaten up by social media giants like the book of faces, red it, etc. March of progress... ETA: There is hope, though, because those platforms are increasingly persecuting anything that doesn't jive with their political correctness. Since tobacco gets a bad rap, they might start forcing those groups and subs out of existence, which will push people back to the mom and pop message boards. Just today, I received an offer from FB for a $10 credit to boost our event invitation... for the umpteenth time. I chipped in $10 and told them to go ahead and boost and was told that what we stand for does not meet their “community standards”. Never mind they willingly host and boost sites that are morally bankrupt by comparison. Fortunately, we have a website, so when they decide that we are the moral reprobates, a quick search will find us.
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Post by puffy on Oct 4, 2020 21:10:28 GMT -5
It's real simple for me...I'm here because I like it here.
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Post by trailboss on Oct 4, 2020 21:53:52 GMT -5
It's real simple for me...I'm here because I like it here. And Larry, you are a perfect fit. Glad to have you here, and always appreciate your thoughts.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Oct 5, 2020 10:04:49 GMT -5
Son in law flys for FEDX, teaching my Grandson to fly. He asked me PawPaw you never wanted to fly an airplane, Reply No Son I jumped out of them.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Oct 5, 2020 10:06:05 GMT -5
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