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Post by toshtego on Aug 15, 2024 16:28:18 GMT -5
After reading up on Norinco pistols. I will pass. Perhaps an original Rus in the original caliber?
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Post by don on Aug 15, 2024 20:25:23 GMT -5
How about a nice used CZ75? A truly outstanding 9mm pistol that I frequently see for about $500 used, around here. Hard to beat it if you are avoiding polymer framed pistols.
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Post by trailboss on Aug 15, 2024 21:03:17 GMT -5
If you are not averse to polymer..
I really like my Ruger SR9C, and they have the full size SR9, I got the C model for concealed carry (10 rounds) for concealed, backup mag is 17 rounds and with the spacer you have a full sized handgun.
Dead nuts accurate and never had a failure to feed with any ammo.
Not sure if it is still in production, but it would be easy to find I am sure.
A bit smaller, the SA Hellcat is about $500 new, (3 inch model, larger models available) and you can get it with red dot optics that is super fast on target acquisition.
A bit smaller, if you have bigger paws.
11+1/ 13+1 mags… again the 13 feels a bit better, but the 11 is not bad at all.
U shaped notch and tritium front sight.
I added the Viridian laser sight that was super easy to install, and zeroed out of the box.
The Apex trigger and extractor that I added, I could easily live without, but ot is really nice… very crisp trigger break at 5.0 lbs.
Easily drops into my cargo pocket.
No failures to feed on a variety of ammo brands either.
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Post by Plainsman on Aug 15, 2024 21:14:21 GMT -5
My EDC is a Sig Sauer P365XL, with manual safety. Only auto0loader pistol I own, or have tried, that checks ALL the boxes. YMMV.
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Post by don on Aug 15, 2024 22:41:49 GMT -5
My EDC is a Sig Sauer P365XL, with manual safety. Only auto0loader pistol I own, or have tried, that checks ALL the boxes. YMMV. Mine is a Springfield Hellcat Pro. Similar. Does the same for me. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 15, 2024 23:15:51 GMT -5
After reading up on Norinco pistols. I will pass. Perhaps an original Rus in the original caliber? I have only heard good things about Norinco. My Norinco SKS has been fine. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 15, 2024 23:17:51 GMT -5
I feel safe with the TT in a holster. It's got the same basic safeties as most old guns. I'll admit I haven't carried it with a round in the chamber. Be sure it comes with a magazine. The bottom of the 9mm is the same size as the 7.62x25 but I doubt it uses the same magazine. I noticed some are sold without a magazine. Odd practice. This one has one magazine. Not likely I would carry it a a concealed weapon. My Colts are for that. More of a curiosity. A WWII era weapon to keep my Colt Commando company. Might keep it in the truck with an empty chamber. Rack the slide when needed. I need to know more about its condition. For the price anticipated I can afford the "experiment". We will see how it is if I am successful bidder. I got mine out of curiosity and that's why I got the 7.62. |
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Post by trailboss on Aug 15, 2024 23:31:10 GMT -5
My EDC is a Sig Sauer P365XL, with manual safety. Only auto0loader pistol I own, or have tried, that checks ALL the boxes. YMMV. Mine is a Springfield Hellcat Pro. Similar. Does the same for me. Really hard to go wrong with either, both are fine guns, highly affordable, excellent workmanship, and easy to field strip...therefore one is more prone to do so (clean Roscoe). And if you get one not working good out of the box (which is rare) the manufacturer will make it right. We actually live in good times, unless you are collecting old firearms, I would shy away from yesteryear. They were good in their time, but machining and metallurgy has come a long way, and if you do not want to dip your toes into being a hobby gunsmith, you will quickly find out that gunsmith prices can quickly exceed the price of a bargain gun. |
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Post by toshtego on Aug 16, 2024 9:56:41 GMT -5
After reading up on Norinco pistols. I will pass. Perhaps an original Rus in the original caliber? I have only heard good things about Norinco. My Norinco SKS has been fine. The reviews of their TT33 clones has been consistently bad. Safeties often do not function and guns fire when on "safe", extraction problems, feed problems. General lack of finesse in manufacturing. It seems they were made for sale in the USA and not government surplus. Perhaps if one was a military surplus gun it would be better. |
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Post by toshtego on Aug 16, 2024 9:58:46 GMT -5
Mine is a Springfield Hellcat Pro. Similar. Does the same for me. Really hard to go wrong with either, both are fine guns, highly affordable, excellent workmanship, and easy to field strip...therefore one is more prone to do so (clean Roscoe). And if you get one not working good out of the box (which is rare) the manufacturer will make it right. We actually live in good times, unless you are collecting old firearms, I would shy away from yesteryear. They were good in their time, but machining and metallurgy has come a long way, and if you do not want to dip your toes into being a hobby gunsmith, you will quickly find out that gunsmith prices can quickly exceed the price of a bargain gun. True that. Moving on to something else. Wishing I cold justify a Belgium made Browning Hi Power! They are now in the $1,500 neighborhood. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 16, 2024 10:11:57 GMT -5
I have only heard good things about Norinco. My Norinco SKS has been fine. The reviews of their TT33 clones has been consistently bad. Safeties often do not function and guns fire when on "safe", extraction problems, feed problems. General lack of finesse in manufacturing. It seems they were made for sale in the USA and not government surplus. Perhaps if one was a military surplus gun it would be better. Mines Romanian from AIM Surplus. I've had good luck with them. My TT-33 safety seems solid. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 16, 2024 10:12:39 GMT -5
Really hard to go wrong with either, both are fine guns, highly affordable, excellent workmanship, and easy to field strip...therefore one is more prone to do so (clean Roscoe). And if you get one not working good out of the box (which is rare) the manufacturer will make it right. We actually live in good times, unless you are collecting old firearms, I would shy away from yesteryear. They were good in their time, but machining and metallurgy has come a long way, and if you do not want to dip your toes into being a hobby gunsmith, you will quickly find out that gunsmith prices can quickly exceed the price of a bargain gun. True that. Moving on to something else. Wishing I cold justify a Belgium made Browning Hi Power! They are now in the $1,500 neighborhood. You can get a new Python for that much. |
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Post by oldcajun123 on Aug 16, 2024 10:27:38 GMT -5
  Son bought this I believe it’s a Sig
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Post by don on Aug 16, 2024 11:59:25 GMT -5
Son bought this I believe it’s a Sig That’s a racy SIG! |
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Post by don on Aug 16, 2024 12:02:59 GMT -5
My current favorite and the most accurate pistol I have ever owned. SIG P226 SAO Legion.  |
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Post by trailboss on Aug 16, 2024 12:34:24 GMT -5
Sig makes some really nice stuff, they really have nice triggers.
I was really impressed by their CEO that spoke at the SAF convention in Phoenix, he is a heck of a speaker, and good at his job.
He said that on the average, they have 60 ongoing lawsuits at a time against them. Not for anything they are guilty of, but by people looking for a payout, more often than not represented by the usual suspects.
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Post by don on Aug 16, 2024 13:18:20 GMT -5
Sig makes some really nice stuff, they really have nice triggers. I was really impressed by their CEO that spoke at the SAF convention in Phoenix, he is a heck of a speaker, and good at his job. He said that on the average, they have 60 ongoing lawsuits at a time against them. Not for anything they are guilty of, but by people looking for a payout, more often than not represented by the usual suspects. I have three. Enjoy them all. |
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Post by toshtego on Aug 16, 2024 15:36:16 GMT -5
The reviews of their TT33 clones has been consistently bad. Safeties often do not function and guns fire when on "safe", extraction problems, feed problems. General lack of finesse in manufacturing. It seems they were made for sale in the USA and not government surplus. Perhaps if one was a military surplus gun it would be better. Mines Romanian from AIM Surplus. I've had good luck with them. My TT-33 safety seems solid. The European TTs seem to be better made. NORINCO missed the mark on their export model TTs or so I have read. |
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Post by instymp on Aug 16, 2024 17:20:07 GMT -5
Sig makes some really nice stuff, they really have nice triggers. I was really impressed by their CEO that spoke at the SAF convention in Phoenix, he is a heck of a speaker, and good at his job. He said that on the average, they have 60 ongoing lawsuits at a time against them. Not for anything they are guilty of, but by people looking for a payout, more often than not represented by the usual suspects. Love their p365's in 9 & .380. |
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Post by toshtego on Aug 16, 2024 18:58:35 GMT -5
Sig makes some really nice stuff, they really have nice triggers. I was really impressed by their CEO that spoke at the SAF convention in Phoenix, he is a heck of a speaker, and good at his job. He said that on the average, they have 60 ongoing lawsuits at a time against them. Not for anything they are guilty of, but by people looking for a payout, more often than not represented by the usual suspects. Love their p365's in 9 & .380. $1,500 now. Outside my budget. |
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Post by Plainsman on Aug 16, 2024 19:29:38 GMT -5
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Post by don on Aug 16, 2024 19:39:31 GMT -5
Snagged this little Beretta 81 in 32 for $300 earlier this year. Fun shooter in a marginal caliber. 32 auto has put a lot of people in the ground, however. Soft shooting and very controllable. Ammo is slightly scarce and definitely pricey. I hate reloading any cartridge smaller than 9mm or 380.  |
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Post by trailboss on Aug 16, 2024 19:49:59 GMT -5
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Post by trailboss on Aug 16, 2024 19:52:11 GMT -5
Quite a deal on that one, Don. (Beretta 81)
Nice looking pistola.
Was that a Gunbroker deal?
Last I heard many moons ago, the lowly .22 took more lives than any othe caliber.
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Post by don on Aug 16, 2024 20:01:39 GMT -5
Quite a deal on that one, Don. (Beretta 81) Nice looking pistola. Was that a Gunbroker deal? Last I heard many moons ago, the lowly .22 took more lives than any othe caliber. No, it was through SARCO. I’ve heard that about 22 as well. Never researched it though. Seems quite possible. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 16, 2024 20:20:47 GMT -5
Snagged this little Beretta 81 in 32 for $300 earlier this year. Fun shooter in a marginal caliber. 32 auto has put a lot of people in the ground, however. Soft shooting and very controllable. Ammo is slightly scarce and definitely pricey. I hate reloading any cartridge smaller than 9mm or 380. Very nice pistol! I picked up some of the Underwood Defender +P 32 ammo for the Tomcat. Lighter copper bullet so no difference in recoil. Got a scalloped tip that's supposed to penetrate well and make a large wound cavity. It's not like I shoot it other than function testing, so the cost isn't bad. |
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Post by don on Aug 16, 2024 21:54:20 GMT -5
So far all I have is ball ammo. I’ve heard that almost all hollow point designs in 32, fail to expand. Gotta be a few advanced designs that will by now.
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Post by trailboss on Aug 16, 2024 22:06:36 GMT -5
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Post by urbino on Aug 16, 2024 22:08:18 GMT -5
Whew! I was gonna say $1500 for any standard-edition P365 sounded crazy. |
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Post by don on Aug 16, 2024 22:25:38 GMT -5
I would be willing to bet that round will not expand. I have yet to find a video of a 32acp hollow point that expanded in ballistics gel. I have a bunch of Norma 70gr ball for now. Good ammo. I started to order from Fast Ammo and the shipping for my order came to over $50. For four boxes of ammo. I never could figure out why it was as showing that so I went with a different company last time. I wish 32 was the price of 9mm and available off the shelf at any gun shop, but nope. |
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