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Post by trailboss on Aug 16, 2024 22:35:16 GMT -5
I hear you… .380 s/d rounds expand well just a few notches up the caliber chain can make a difference, I suppose.
Proper shot placement on a .32 I am not receptive.😉
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Post by Plainsman on Aug 17, 2024 9:05:04 GMT -5
Weight is a very important factor in choosing an EDC handgun. The heavier the gun the more likely it will not be carried in its EDC role. There is also the factor of gun efficiency. That is: power available in terms of gun’s total loaded weight. Here is a chart I made that shows gun capacity, weight, total FPE available from fully loaded gun, and the FPE delivered per weight of the gun in ounces. In each case I used commonly available “hot” self-defense cartridges.
P365 13 rounds 26oz 5,200FPE. 200FPE/oz
P365. 16 rounds 28oz 6,400FPE. 228FPE/oz
S&W 342. 5 rounds. 12oz 1,975FPE. 165FPE/oz
1911 9 rounds. 46oz 3,825FPE. 83FPE/oz
KelTec PMR30 30 rounds 21oz 4,500FPE. 214FPE/oz
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Post by don on Aug 17, 2024 10:03:54 GMT -5
Pssst. I don’t think that is a chart.😉
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Post by Plainsman on Aug 17, 2024 10:06:24 GMT -5
OK. “Some stuff” then.
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Post by toshtego on Aug 17, 2024 10:34:11 GMT -5
Weight is a very important factor in choosing an EDC handgun. The heavier the gun the more likely it will not be carried in its EDC role. There is also the factor of gun efficiency. That is: power available in terms of gun’s total loaded weight. Here is a chart I made that shows gun capacity, weight, total FPE available from fully loaded gun, and the FPE delivered per weight of the gun in ounces. In each case I used commonly available “hot” self-defense cartridges. P365 13 rounds 26oz 5,200FPE. 200FPE/oz P365. 16 rounds 28oz 6,400FPE. 228FPE/oz S&W 342. 5 rounds. 12oz 1,975FPE. 165FPE/oz 1911 9 rounds. 46oz 3,825FPE. 83FPE/oz KelTec PMR30 30 rounds 21oz 4,500FPE. 214FPE/oz You are spot one as usual, Bob. Weight is a consideration for EDC. That is why I have an original Colt Cobra. Light enough to not be a nuisance. Hits fairly hard, on paper, with the Buffalo Bore Standard Pressure Short Barrel Low Flash Heavy .38, 158 grain soft cast HP ammo. Thank you for the tip on Sportsman Warehouse. I see some very attractive deals. |
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Post by trailboss on Aug 17, 2024 11:13:01 GMT -5
Yeah, my double stack 1911, and backup mags require a bullhide belt and rodbuster (ironworker) suspenders.😉
There is an old quote in the firearms community about how the heavy pistol left on the nightstand because of it’s weight is of no use when you find yourself in trouble.
My son-in-law swears by his M&P shield for that reason, in this hot climate all he wears is cargo shorts and a T-shirt, he is always armed but you could never tell.
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Post by Plainsman on Aug 17, 2024 12:51:13 GMT -5
Just in case anyone is interested, I have a first-generation S&W Shield in 45Auto that I will part with for $300, shipped. What’s wrong with it. Nothing. Like new in box with about three mags though it. (2 mags come with it.) Perfect function. I just don’t like the Glock-style set-up: no manual safety. PM me if it catches your fancy.
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Post by trailboss on Aug 17, 2024 14:05:25 GMT -5
Just in case anyone is interested, I have a first-generation S&W Shield in 45Auto that I will part with for $300, shipped. What’s wrong with it. Nothing. Like new in box with about three mags though it. (2 mags come with it.) Perfect function. I just don’t like the Glock-style set-up: no manual safety. PM me if it catches your fancy. I am interested, fixing to send a PM |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 17, 2024 18:02:59 GMT -5
So far all I have is ball ammo. I’ve heard that almost all hollow point designs in 32, fail to expand. Gotta be a few advanced designs that will by now. That's why I got the Underwood. Non-expanding high speed. Check it out. underwoodammo.com/32-acp-p-50-grain-xtreme-cavitator/ |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 17, 2024 18:20:00 GMT -5
That's why my other 32 is Buffalo Bore hard cast flat nose. I promise you that you will feel it. Also the ARX ammo. Maybe not a lot of energy but a lot of pain. |
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Post by don on Aug 17, 2024 18:24:01 GMT -5
So far all I have is ball ammo. I’ve heard that almost all hollow point designs in 32, fail to expand. Gotta be a few advanced designs that will by now. That's why I got the Underwood. Non-expanding high speed. Check it out. underwoodammo.com/32-acp-p-50-grain-xtreme-cavitator/I’m shooting 70gr Norma FMJ for now. Very good ammo. I will give the Underwood a try too. Thanks for the lead. |
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Post by don on Aug 17, 2024 18:29:59 GMT -5
Just shot the little Beretta 81 and a minty Stoeger Cougar 8000 in 9mm for the first time. The Cougar is very accurate. A chunky pistol that fits my chunky hands well. Got it for $300. 15 round mags are unobtanium. I bought three USA mags against my better judgement. They suck. I have two factory ten round Beretta mags on the way, which will have to do.  |
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Post by Plainsman on Aug 18, 2024 16:22:19 GMT -5
That Shield is sold.
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Post by don on Aug 18, 2024 16:27:34 GMT -5
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Post by trailboss on Aug 18, 2024 17:05:14 GMT -5
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Post by don on Aug 18, 2024 17:16:34 GMT -5
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Post by trailboss on Aug 18, 2024 17:52:45 GMT -5
It wasn't me, it was Johnatan Winters.
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Post by toshtego on Aug 18, 2024 21:43:04 GMT -5
I was able to win an auction on Gunbroker.com for a nice Zastava M88A. $305.00
I am unable to post a photo since postimagesd.org has refused six times.
Hoping to complete the purchase and actually receive it. First Gunbroker cannot find it for checkout. Once they located it they refuse my cc info saying I have the wrong name. I know my name. Anyway, tossing the whole thing into the Seller's lap to figure out since I cannot get anywhere with Gunbroker. I will visit an FFL in town tomorrow to obtain the license for transfer.
Sorry I cannot post the photo. It was a sweet wood grip with finger grooves. A derivative of the Tokarev TT with some refinements. Reading up on them, they seem to be well made and owners like them. An old design but certainly battle tested. I liked the price!
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Post by urbino on Aug 18, 2024 22:06:43 GMT -5
Nice! Hope you enjoy it (and can post a pic at some point).
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 18, 2024 22:09:34 GMT -5
Nice pistola! I like Czech guns.
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Post by toshtego on Aug 18, 2024 22:31:05 GMT -5
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Post by don on Aug 18, 2024 23:23:20 GMT -5
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Post by urbino on Aug 18, 2024 23:42:35 GMT -5
From Don's link, it sure looks/sounds like a nifty little pistol, John. (Your link didn't work for me. Requires login.) Solid steel, hammer-fired, and soft shooting are all winners in my book.
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Post by toshtego on Aug 19, 2024 1:04:36 GMT -5
From Don's link, it sure looks/sounds like a nifty little pistol, John. (Your link didn't work for me. Requires login.) Solid steel, hammer-fired, and soft shooting are all winners in my book. One odd fact is that on one can agree on the barrel length. The article you posted says 3.60. Other articles sday 3.7 and 3.77. The seller of mine says 3.5. Not that it matters but it is curious not one agrees. Magazines are scarce although I have read that the M70 Zastava 9 round mags will fit and feed as will the NORINO 213 mags. I imagine any 9 X 19 Tokarev mag would work. It will be an interesting experience getting used to this gun. I have owned four 1911s over the years and feel comfortable with single action auto loaders. |
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Post by urbino on Aug 19, 2024 1:21:22 GMT -5
From Don's link, it sure looks/sounds like a nifty little pistol, John. (Your link didn't work for me. Requires login.) Solid steel, hammer-fired, and soft shooting are all winners in my book. One odd fact is that on one can agree on the barrel length. The article you posted says 3.60. Other articles sday 3.7 and 3.77. The seller of mine says 3.5. Not that it matters but it is curious not one agrees. Magazines are scarce although I have read that the M70 Zastava 9 round mags will fit and feed as will the NORINO 213 mags. I imagine any 9 X 19 Tokarev mag would work. It will be an interesting experience getting used to this gun. I have owned four 1911s over the years and feel comfortable with single action auto loaders. Heh. I'm sure it's one of those lengths. How many mags does it come with? |
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Post by don on Aug 19, 2024 7:45:58 GMT -5
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Post by toshtego on Aug 19, 2024 8:45:54 GMT -5
One odd fact is that on one can agree on the barrel length. The article you posted says 3.60. Other articles sday 3.7 and 3.77. The seller of mine says 3.5. Not that it matters but it is curious not one agrees. Magazines are scarce although I have read that the M70 Zastava 9 round mags will fit and feed as will the NORINO 213 mags. I imagine any 9 X 19 Tokarev mag would work. It will be an interesting experience getting used to this gun. I have owned four 1911s over the years and feel comfortable with single action auto loaders. Heh. I'm sure it's one of those lengths. How many mags does it come with? Just one. So, I will be looking for a couple more, not that I intend to invade Finland. Likely I will get a 9 round M70 magazine. These Tokarev magazines are notorious for being difficult to load by hand. Russian influenced over building with stiff springs so no load failure in the field. So what if Ivan has to spend all night loading them? I can load 8 rounds into a 9 round magazine, perhaps. |
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Post by toshtego on Aug 19, 2024 8:48:08 GMT -5
That is it. The one I bought has finger groove wood grips. They are kind of purty. Switching browsers, I was able to post an image of it.  |
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Post by Plainsman on Aug 19, 2024 9:45:20 GMT -5
Barrel lengths on autoloaders are different from revolvers. (Duh.) With revolvers you have the WHOLE length of the barrel plus a bit of the chamber. With auto loaders stated barrel length starts at the base of the cartridge, so to get the actual barrel length you have to deduct cartridge length.
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Post by urbino on Aug 19, 2024 14:15:04 GMT -5
That is it. The one I bought has finger groove wood grips. They are kind of purty. Switching browsers, I was able to post an image of it. Pretty sporty looking. I hadn't noticed the solid trigger shoe. I guess that's to prevent Private Conscriptovich from getting the tip of his glove stuck behind the trigger in Russian winter? |
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