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Post by Plainsman on Nov 9, 2020 15:52:47 GMT -5
Good looking holster.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 9, 2020 16:11:10 GMT -5
Thanks. I thought it was worth the money. Seems well made. |
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Post by bigwoolie on Nov 9, 2020 17:06:58 GMT -5
 I know that this should go in the Revolver thread, but since we're talking about it. Very nice. Both practical and good looking |
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Post by instymp on Nov 9, 2020 18:14:08 GMT -5
As long as the embalmer in the funeral home doesn't see fluid leaking out the ear? Must be something I read in a paperback. |
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Post by Plainsman on Nov 9, 2020 19:21:10 GMT -5
Detection wasn’t an issue. Quick, silent put-away was the menu. Easy clean-up if it was necessary. Not necessary in a theatre.
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Post by Gypo on Nov 9, 2020 19:31:29 GMT -5
Years ago I picked up a colt 1911 .22 conversion kit with the old cardboard box adjustable rear sight with all the instructions. It was not cheap and a spare mag was $100. Fits the the original 70s series.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 9, 2020 19:34:39 GMT -5
Years ago I picked up a colt 1911 .22 conversion kit with the old cardboard box adjustable rear sight with all the instructions. It was not cheap and a spare mag was $100. Fits the the original 70s series. I've shot a Colt conversion and the original Ace. Much better than the 22lr copies made today. |
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Post by Gypo on Nov 9, 2020 19:41:48 GMT -5
Last time I seen an ACE mag. It was like $200 and I never shot one. I have not shot the convertion in a long time. I grab a k22 or Smith mod. 41 older version.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 9, 2020 19:46:51 GMT -5
Last time I seen an ACE mag. It was like $200 and I never shot one. I have not shot the convertion in a long time. I grab a k22 or Smith mod. 41 older version. They have a mag on gun broker for $120 and kits for about 400. I had a Smith 41 target pistol and it was great, but for just plinking I like the Ace. But I'm an old fart. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 11, 2020 10:53:39 GMT -5
Nice cap-gun. Is that an EPS Threepersons? Nope couldn't afford that, but it's from a guy who used to work for them and retired in El Paso. I couldn't afford tooling either. I like it. If I keep the gun maybe in a year or two I can upgrade. This holster was $65. The plain EPS starts at $135 and goes up to $254. I looked at the back and it's marked "El Paso Saddlery, El Paso Texas" in the oval logo. I'm not sure but it is very nice. |
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Post by toshtego on Nov 11, 2020 14:04:46 GMT -5
Any 1911 .38 Super shooters present?
Something I am interested in.
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Post by Plainsman on Nov 11, 2020 16:19:49 GMT -5
Nope couldn't afford that, but it's from a guy who used to work for them and retired in El Paso. I couldn't afford tooling either. I like it. If I keep the gun maybe in a year or two I can upgrade. This holster was $65. The plain EPS starts at $135 and goes up to $254. I looked at the back and it's marked "El Paso Saddlery, El Paso Texas" in the oval logo. I'm not sure but it is very nice. You certainly lucked out there! It looked EPS to me, or a direct copy. THe stitching on the top was the giveway. I have a good bit of their stuff accumulated over the years. I particularly like their Tanker for carry guns that can be uncomfortable on the belt. In the winter they fit nicely under a coat. |
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Post by instymp on Nov 11, 2020 18:21:08 GMT -5
Nice looking holster.
To my brain, I have seen them around (El Paso Saddlery) for many moons.
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Post by roadsdiverged on Nov 11, 2020 19:34:28 GMT -5
My pistol shopping began today. After going through dozens, it's hard not to go with a 1911. Ill make up my mind sooooon, maybe.
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Post by Plainsman on Nov 11, 2020 20:13:31 GMT -5
Nice looking holster. To my brain, I have seen them around (El Paso Saddlery) for many moons. They have indeed been around for a while. Started as S.D.Myers in Sweetwater but soon moved to El Paso, where Tio Sam, as he was called, made holsters for the like of J. W. Hardin and George Patton. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 11, 2020 22:45:01 GMT -5
I looked at the back and it's marked "El Paso Saddlery, El Paso Texas" in the oval logo. I'm not sure but it is very nice. You certainly lucked out there! It looked EPS to me, or a direct copy. THe stitching on the top was the giveway. I have a good bit of their stuff accumulated over the years. I particularly like their Tanker for carry guns that can be uncomfortable on the belt. In the winter they fit nicely under a coat. I'm bidding on a EPS shoulder rig for a 1911. 😁😉🤠 I got it mixed up. The shoulder rig is from Robert Saddlery,Maker, El Paso Texas. I thought it was the holster. I'm old this week. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 11, 2020 22:59:05 GMT -5
Any 1911 .38 Super shooters present? Something I am interested in. I shot one when I was about 17 or 18. I remember it was louder and much snappier than the 45 that was otherwise identical. Good thing was that it would shoot 38 ACP nicely and was very pleasant. 38 Super is like a 357 125gr out of a 5" barrel. I have found that recoil doesn't bother me, but muzzle blast from high pressure rounds really get to me. So a 45 is like nothing, but I flinch badly with the 38 Super. 9mm +P is just about as good, much cheaper and more fun to shoot. |
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Post by lizardonarock on Nov 11, 2020 23:24:58 GMT -5
 JWH 1851 Navy Colt with a cut down standard no frills holster. No Tio holster that was for Tom Mixx and the black and white cowboy movie stars. |
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Post by Plainsman on Nov 12, 2020 9:29:09 GMT -5
Can you cite a source for that, please?
Later... thanks anyway but I found the source of your picture. Unfortunately gunfighters were often vague about the details of their equipment. We know Hardin gave the Navy Colt away, but have no way of verifying that the holster was a part of the gift. The recipient may have added it later. We do know that the handgun used in his first killings, when he was a teenager, was a .44, probably the 1860 Army model with which he was associated later. HIs relationship with Sam Myer’s leather-works is well established and his successor, El Paso Saddlery, still makes a couple of models originally made for Hardin. The movie cowboy stuff came along much later. Some of it is very “artistic,” but nobody takes it very seriously as real gun-leather for real gunmen.
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Post by lizardonarock on Nov 12, 2020 9:41:48 GMT -5
–Courtesy Ryan McNellis, El Paso Saddlery Collection –
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Post by Plainsman on Nov 12, 2020 10:20:09 GMT -5
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Post by lizardonarock on Nov 12, 2020 10:32:06 GMT -5
Your welcome
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 12, 2020 11:41:39 GMT -5
Great story and the one attached to it. What I don't understand is why they didn't hang him when they caught him. Him becoming a lawyer makes sense. |
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Post by lizardonarock on Nov 12, 2020 13:02:20 GMT -5
He spent half his life in prison. My long time friend Hardy is a direct descendant JWH was married in Junction Tx and had to cut the honeymoon short as the Rangers were on his trail. The net does not even mention the marriage and the name of the long gone hotel alludes me. Heck the hotel was ready to fall over and that was back in the early 70s. I am not sure how you go from the meanest man in the west to a five foot tall plumber who wears a size five boot and weighs 300lbs. Hardy's father and his deceased brother look just like JWH. Even more strange is JWH is from Moscow Tx did his time in Huntsville after being arrested in Florida and ended up a lawyer in El Paso. Just one more cattle rustler made famous for things he probably never did or did he.
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Post by Plainsman on Nov 12, 2020 13:30:00 GMT -5
One thing I’d bet he never did is ride his horse “at a good speed” and empty his pistol at a tree knot. Lots of baloney has been sliced by would-be hangers-on who want to share a bit of the Great Man’s glory by telling whoppers about them.
Hardin, Hickock, and Jesse James all died from being shot in the back of the head by people who didn't want to face them head-on.
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Post by toshtego on Nov 12, 2020 14:48:37 GMT -5
Any 1911 .38 Super shooters present? Something I am interested in. I shot one when I was about 17 or 18. I remember it was louder and much snappier than the 45 that was otherwise identical. Good thing was that it would shoot 38 ACP nicely and was very pleasant. 38 Super is like a 357 125gr out of a 5" barrel. I have found that recoil doesn't bother me, but muzzle blast from high pressure rounds really get to me. So a 45 is like nothing, but I flinch badly with the 38 Super. 9mm +P is just about as good, much cheaper and more fun to shoot. I see that Sig offers a 1911 in .357 Sig. That must be fun to shoot  . I read that 1911s in .38 Super was used by our troops in Korea to defeat Commies in body armor. Not a problem we have around here, at least the body armor part. Yes, I agree that the Parabellum round has come a long way as was discussed here some weeks ago. |
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Post by bigwoolie on Nov 12, 2020 15:16:34 GMT -5
I shot one when I was about 17 or 18. I remember it was louder and much snappier than the 45 that was otherwise identical. Good thing was that it would shoot 38 ACP nicely and was very pleasant. 38 Super is like a 357 125gr out of a 5" barrel. I have found that recoil doesn't bother me, but muzzle blast from high pressure rounds really get to me. So a 45 is like nothing, but I flinch badly with the 38 Super. 9mm +P is just about as good, much cheaper and more fun to shoot. I see that Sig offers a 1911 in .357 Sig. That must be fun to shoot . I read that 1911s in .38 Super was used by our troops in Korea to defeat Commies in body armor. Not a problem we have around here, at least the body armor part. Yes, I agree that the Parabellum round has come a long way as was discussed here some weeks ago. There was a time when the .38 Super on a 1911 held great favor in the Texas Rangers. I know where a man can pick up some originals down in central Mexico, but I aint goin' back to facilitate. 😁😳 |
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Post by Plainsman on Nov 12, 2020 15:31:21 GMT -5
One reason the 38 Super got so popular in Mexico (it was, big time) was that civilians could not own weapons in "military calibers." Mexico's sidearm was a .45AUTO.
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Post by toshtego on Nov 12, 2020 15:43:31 GMT -5
One reason the 38 Super got so popular in Mexico (it was, big time) was that civilians could not own weapons in "military calibers." Mexico's sidearm was a .45AUTO. I think it was called "El Obregon", after the General. |
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Post by Plainsman on Nov 12, 2020 15:53:36 GMT -5
I believe he designed it.
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