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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 15:39:39 GMT -5
Thanks Ron. User report appreciated.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 28, 2019 15:43:44 GMT -5
Thanks Ron. User report appreciated. You're welcome. Understand that this is my personal review of a single pipe from the referenced maker and not a reflection or dispute of any other pipers pipes or smoking experience.(legally mandated disclaimer) |
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 28, 2019 16:49:51 GMT -5
That's a really interesting report, Ronv69. I get the feeling that the wood isn't what it's claimed to be. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 28, 2019 17:13:53 GMT -5
That's a really interesting report, Ronv69. I get the feeling that the wood isn't what it's claimed to be. On mine at least I don't think it is. I don't know what the technical specs of morta are, like what percentage of petrification. |
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Post by kbareit on Aug 28, 2019 17:46:24 GMT -5
That settles it, I'm going to bore the poker out a little next week and see what wood it really is. I don't have a known morta pipe to compare mine to so I'll take one for the team and see what it is.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 28, 2019 18:39:08 GMT -5
That settles it, I'm going to bore the poker out a little next week and see what wood it really is. I don't have a known morta pipe to compare mine to so I'll take one for the team and see what it is. Looking at the grain from the blast it looks like oak. It might be technically morta, but only a few hundred years old instead of 4 thousand. |
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Post by kbareit on Aug 28, 2019 18:48:35 GMT -5
That settles it, I'm going to bore the poker out a little next week and see what wood it really is. I don't have a known morta pipe to compare mine to so I'll take one for the team and see what it is. Looking at the grain from the blast it looks like oak. It might be technically morta, but only a few hundred years old instead of 4 thousand. Boy am I a moron. I was just at a pipe show and didn't think to look at a couple higher end morta's to compare. DUH!!! |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 28, 2019 20:13:26 GMT -5
Looking at the grain from the blast it looks like oak. It might be technically morta, but only a few hundred years old instead of 4 thousand. Boy am I a moron. I was just at a pipe show and didn't think to look at a couple higher end morta's to compare. DUH!!! I don't think that's something to worry about. When you are my age you will sometimes forget your pants. |
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Post by kbareit on Aug 28, 2019 20:55:12 GMT -5
Boy am I a moron. I was just at a pipe show and didn't think to look at a couple higher end morta's to compare. DUH!!! I don't think that's something to worry about. When you are my age you will sometimes forget your pants. I'm not far off. I'm always looking for tools that are in my hand. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 29, 2019 11:47:37 GMT -5
I just smoked another bowl, this time Comoy's Cask #2. I used a Savinelli filter for the first bowl and nothing in this one. The chemical taste is much reduced and the draw is good. Smoked to ash. It is a good smoking pipe for the price. I looked up morta and like I said, it can be called morta with very little fossilization. My other pipes are guaranteed to be from 4k to 6k years old. From my research and experience I can say that the older the better. At this price point I can't complain. The Don Warren is the 4k and it was $160 a couple of years ago. The Becker is supposed to be 6k,and the Davorin is even older. The Davorin morta is the "most morta" by far.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 29, 2019 11:51:17 GMT -5
I have been studying this pipe and I have seen some things that have been done to reduce costs. The shank rings are pre made to a standard size and assembled without further fitting. The flared shank with the wide flat end means that all the stems can be made exactly the same and don't need to be fitted to the individual pipe. I appreciate the Polish ingenuity.
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Post by qmechanics on Aug 31, 2019 4:16:49 GMT -5
After looking through the information, I still believe the pipe to be Morta. As stated I made no claims as to the pipes' age(s). The pipes' qualities were also noted as not being on par to other expensive Morta pipes I have seen or held. As to age, I do not believe one can accurately gauge this without scientific study. On the other hand, I also acknowledge that an expert should be able to make a good guess. Let's see if I can find an expert at the pipe show. As Ron stated, I do not think these pipes are thousands of years old. To add, from what I read, environmental variables also play a role, so age is not the only factor to consider.
The pipes I bought earlier did not appear to have any stain on the bowl. After repeated tests with 97℅ Isopropyl alcohol, nothing came off the pipes. All I was left with were wet paper towels. I am not sure what stain can hold up to such treatment? The inside of the bowls was a different matter. All the pipes tested, but one, have a coating of some sort, noted earlier.* This coating came out dark black (not the color of the exterior) and needed multiple cleanings to remove (The shanks appeared to have varying amounts of this gunk as well, probably seeping in during the coating or cleaning process.). After cleaning the pipe's color inside matched the exterior. Maybe that is what you were experiencing Ron? Another possibility is some of these pipes might have been stained (I mentioned this earlier.) maybe to eliminate abnormalities or as a stylized choice of some sort.
Only one so far had a chemical taste you described.
When you first stared your review Ron, you did not believe they were Morta and later thought they might be younger Morta. I also have virgin oak pipes and perhaps you like myself noticed the difference? In any case, I am more energized than ever to see if I can gain some clarification at the next KC pipe show.
*It is possible the carver did this as a break in measure, not knowing such things are not necessary with Morta or doing so out of habit.
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Post by qmechanics on Aug 31, 2019 5:19:58 GMT -5
That's a really interesting report, Ronv69. I get the feeling that the wood isn't what it's claimed to be. Common wisdom and experience would suggest your take, as Morta pipes made by Artisan pipe makers are fairly expensive and folks are weary of fakes, rightly so. Being well aware of this, I am still willing to explore. Still one should wait and see before jumping to conclusions as I believe more work is yet to be done. Right now, I tend to believe it is younger Morta as has been suggested before and repeated by Ron in his later posts. How young is hard to say. I do not nor have I ever believed that these pipes are made from premium Morta as the artisan pipes are or should be. For my purposes, to replace cobs for testing and use with heavy ghosting blends, so far they have done well. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 31, 2019 5:30:52 GMT -5
That's a really interesting report, Ronv69. I get the feeling that the wood isn't what it's claimed to be. Common wisdom and experience would suggest your take, as Morta pipes made by Artisan pipe makers are fairly expensive and folks are weary of fakes, rightly so. Being well aware of this, I am still willing to explore. Still one should wait and see before jumping to conclusions as I believe more work is yet to be done. Right now, I tend to believe it is younger Morta as has been suggested before and repeated by Ron in his later posts. How young is hard to say. I do not nor have I ever believed that these pipes are made from premium Morta as the artisan pipes are or should be. For my purposes, to replace cobs for testing and use with heavy ghosting blends, so far they have done well. It wouldn't put me off smoking them... |
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Post by qmechanics on Sept 22, 2019 5:32:14 GMT -5
OK...... I just got back from the Kansas City Pipe show, where I brought a few of RT's Morta pipes. I chose ones without any stain or wax on the bowl (This is how most of my pipes came to me. The others looked like they might have, and given Ron's experience, probably do have a stain. I have not prepared the later for smoking yet.). What I believe is raw, blasted, relatively young Morta. After speaking with and handing the pipes over to two carvers , who have made Morta pipes, they both stated the pipes are Morta. The greyish appearance indicates that it is younger Morta. One estimate, due solely to color/appearance, placed the Morta's age around 1250-2600 years.
PS Typically, the older the Bog Oak is, the darker it gets.
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Post by Ronv69 on Sept 22, 2019 5:42:55 GMT -5
I can't say anything for certain, except that it is an excellent smoking pipe for the money. Although a lot of stain was removed from my bowl, there is no natural wood showing, just a very dark gray where it was black. And even that is black now. I am happy to have acquired it.
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 23, 2019 3:23:03 GMT -5
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