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Post by qmechanics on Jul 30, 2019 19:07:55 GMT -5
Hi I found turkiewicz-pipes on eBay ....Nothing special, but for the price I can treat these Bog Oak pipes like cobs and be no worse for ware. So far the few I bought are a little crude but smoke well. The only down side for me is the pipes I have require a filter. Not a big deal as I replace my pipe filters with adapters. Best Q PS He ships from Poland at $8.00 (pretty quick to). If you ask he will combine shipping, allowing one to buy multiple pipes for the same $8.00 I am not sure how many pipes this extends to, but it does make this an even less expensive adventure if more than one pipe is purchased. A link.... www.ebay.com/itm/116-BLACK-OAK-PIPE-MORTA-HAND-MADE/264407500253?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AITAny other carvers, ideas, links, or web-pages that one might care to mention? PS I should have given a bit of caution to this story. There are fakes out there and one should be careful. I welcome folks to take a look. Maybe if more than one person examines them directly or a real Morta expert "pipes"😁 in we can come to a consensus. You will see a few ideas already noted in the posts below.
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Post by peteguy on Jul 30, 2019 19:26:52 GMT -5
"are a little crude" Well stated. The link you posted sold for $12.50? WOWza, hella cheap.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Jul 30, 2019 19:35:38 GMT -5
May be crude..but at that price...how can you go wrong? Nice pipe by the way!
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Post by qmechanics on Jul 30, 2019 19:57:08 GMT -5
It is an auction, so pipe prices can vary below and above that price.The seller should give you time, if requested, to bid on other pipes throughout the week etc. increasing your chances of grabbing a few for a good price.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 30, 2019 20:08:24 GMT -5
I acquired a pipe on eBay that was supposed to be from Ukraine and it actually a shipped from China. Oleg Oner is brand. I realized that it was taking too long to get here and in checking on it I found the problem. It was $50 at the time and I thought it was too good to be true and it was. When I got it, I thought the grain didn't look right so I wiped it out with Everclear and the black came off, not to morta brown, but all the way to a nice new hardwood. I complained and got a full refund no question asked. I complained to ebay and they didn't do anything about it. They are now selling them for $79, but they are no bargain at any price. It's really a shame because the carving and stem are excellent. If they had just been honest and finished it normally it would probably be a 70 dollar pipe. As it is I dare not smoke it.
Beware.
My true morta Don Warren and Davorin Denovic pipes are well worth the money.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 20:23:41 GMT -5
Beware, many items come from China nowadays on eBay and they're not always shipped from there so you gotta do your research. If it's to good to be true..........it usually is.
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Post by ben888 on Jul 30, 2019 20:45:30 GMT -5
I highly doubt this is bog oak
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 20:53:28 GMT -5
I have one of those Oleg pipes, that came in a multi pipe estate purchase I made about two years ago. I have wondered about it. It looks good, but I have had my doubts. Maybe it smokes good. Guess I can try it out.
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Post by qmechanics on Jul 30, 2019 21:52:30 GMT -5
The guy shipped the pipes from Poland.The address and postage stamps are a clear indication that this is true.
I have not seen any Chinese clones look like these. I also bought a few of a given style for comparison. One can clearly see the variations in the shape and. in a few, slight variations in the color, not a sign of the mass produced pipes from China. It looks like a somewhat primitive cut Bog Oak pipe not fine sanded, but fairly rough/rustic....They have the feel, primitive as they might be, and weight I expect from a Bog pipe as well. The pipe's color texture is also consistent throughout a given pipe.. no sign of a stain cover up job typical of Chinese "Morta" fakes. With that said there are pictures of these pipes that appear darker(The pipe pictured above is not the sole example and is one of the darker pipes offered that I have seen.). Is this the result of stain or a difference in the wood? I cannot say without a sample. With this I make no claims about the quality of the wood used nor am I stating the pipe is top quality. My report is also based on handling the real pipe not examining a pic and throwing in a word or two. There are many inexpensive pipes coming from Poland as to make this not so surprising.
One can debate the merits. I simply present a few observations for others to read. If you are an expert in Bog Oak from around the world please write. In the end, one can buy one and see one for themselves. They can be purchased for around the cost of a good cob.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 30, 2019 22:12:30 GMT -5
Q, if the weight seems right, it is probably the real thing. Bog oak can be any color from medium - light brown to black. Let us know how it smokes so we can buy the rest.
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Post by qmechanics on Jul 31, 2019 0:32:15 GMT -5
Q, if the weight seems right, it is probably the real thing. Bog oak can be any color from medium - light brown to black. Let us know how it smokes so we can buy the rest. I will do so. Yes I agree Morta comes in the color ranges you described. The pipes I purchased can be thought of as a lighter shade of black with hints of brown(and dark olive green under bright lights). One can see the variation in color in the pipes offered online, though perhaps not the hints of brown etc. I see in my lighter colored pipes. I noticed that fakes use a dark stain/paint which is easily detected. So I ran a test with 99percent Isopropyl alcohol no stain or coloring came off (not in the slightest), even with a bit of rubbing against a cloth. I will let you know what I find out about the smoking characteristics.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 7:10:43 GMT -5
I will have to try one, myself. I have had good luck with Polish makers. I would like a Worobiec pipe too.
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Post by Winton on Jul 31, 2019 8:29:00 GMT -5
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 31, 2019 8:31:31 GMT -5
Good grief, the same pipes are going for around £80 in the UK ebay.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jul 31, 2019 9:07:01 GMT -5
I have a bunch of Mr. Brog pipes and I consider them a brand name. They all smoke great. I bought them when they first showed up on eBay and I was running point for the herd. I was buying higher end pipes by the time they started selling morta pipes. I just put in a bid for one of these. Just what I need, pipe #193. 💩💩💩🤠
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 13:32:26 GMT -5
Starting point for a pipe made from Morta is $200.00. I see the pics, but? Does Poland have an excess amount of bog oak?
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Post by Cramptholomew on Jul 31, 2019 18:05:58 GMT -5
Starting point for a pipe made from Morta is $200.00. I see the pics, but? Does Poland have an excess amount of bog oak? Boggoke sounds like it might be polish...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 18:12:50 GMT -5
I believe all Morta derives from bog oak. Don't know if there are differing grades of it. As it is supposed to be thousands of years old, I don't know if there even is a standard.
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Post by qmechanics on Jul 31, 2019 22:19:54 GMT -5
Starting point for a pipe made from Morta is $200.00. I see the pics, but? Does Poland have an excess amount of bog oak? Most Morta pipes, I have seen, are made by individual carvers or boutique businesses whose prices are typically higher than the companies with more of a bulk buying, production line, machining approach. This is one clear reason for the higher price point. I do not know anything about Poland's ability to supply Morta. However, the country is located within Europe, a continent where Morta is largely farmed, so to speak. It follows that access and cost would be cheaper there then importing Bog Oak to the states. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bog-woodbogoakdesign.com/origin/Though not cheap, Morta is not out of the park expensive either. Still one has to be cautious. I took the plunge, because at the price point, it was worth the risk. If these are made from a different wood, all I can say is it sure looks and feels like Bog Wood (making no claim as to quality etc., these are rustic pipes). I smoke briars to a large extent and look to these pipes for trying new blends(lack of ghosting with Morta), outdoor adventures, a few for heavy aromatics etc.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 1, 2019 4:58:28 GMT -5
I have a bunch of Mr. Brog pipes and I consider them a brand name. They all smoke great. I bought them when they first showed up on eBay and I was running point for the herd. I was buying higher end pipes by the time they started selling morta pipes. I just put in a bid for one of these. Just what I need, pipe #193. 💩💩💩🤠 I've gotta say that my Mr Brogg pipe smokes like a dream. Never any goop in the bottom of the bowl either, where in my briar pipes there always is.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 1, 2019 9:24:52 GMT -5
I should have said that all of my Mr Brog pipes are pear wood. I see the only drawback is that they won't last a hundred years of heavy smoking like briar. But I am just guessing.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 1, 2019 9:26:24 GMT -5
I have been outbid on two of the morta pokers so far. I may end up getting a less desirable shape.
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Post by sperrytops on Aug 1, 2019 11:53:04 GMT -5
I have two Mortas from Davorin. One is a black Morta and the other is a transitional copper to brown. He is an exceptional carver, and Morta is supposed to be very hard to work with (maybe you carvers out there can comment). Bog oak is basically semi petrified oak recovered from peat bogs. Where you have peat bogs and oak trees, you probably have Morta. In any case the oak does range from 2000 to 8000 years old. It takes that long to get to the point where the oak can become petrified. Both of mine are beautiful smokers. Morta pipes are not stained in any way. That's just a natural color. However you should see the ring grain in the pipe. A good carver will ensure the grain runs symmetrically across the shank and bowl.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 1, 2019 12:48:20 GMT -5
I have bid on several of these pipes now and they have all been bid up higher than I am willing to pay for a pipe that I don't need. Looking forward to seeing some reviews.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 1, 2019 15:40:53 GMT -5
I have bid on several of these pipes now and they have all been bid up higher than I am willing to pay for a pipe that I don't need. Looking forward to seeing some reviews. You're sensible not to chase...
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 1, 2019 16:36:18 GMT -5
I bid on a couple that I disliked and lost those too.
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Post by qmechanics on Aug 1, 2019 23:05:45 GMT -5
I have bid on several of these pipes now and they have all been bid up higher than I am willing to pay for a pipe that I don't need. Looking forward to seeing some reviews. I agree...I only bid so far and stopped typically around the price in the link, maybe a few dollars more if the pipe really interested me. They might be picking up in price or just going through the up and down swing that occurs on bidding sites. I believe bidding is for those willing to walk away and come back when conditions are favorable. I would check every week if one is interested. PS The pokers on average sell for a bit more than the others. I plan on smoking my second pipe tonight.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 2, 2019 0:31:56 GMT -5
I will stay after them for a while to see if I can get a curiosity deal. If cheap enough I can give it to someone who needs it. I just want to know.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 2, 2019 6:03:35 GMT -5
I will stay after them for a while to see if I can get a curiosity deal. If cheap enough I can give it to someone who needs it. I just want to know. They've obviously caught your eye. I hope you find one that slips past others' eyes.
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Post by Winton on Aug 2, 2019 8:44:26 GMT -5
Mr Brog's site has an option to notify you when a pipe is available.
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