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Post by puffy on Mar 19, 2020 22:43:13 GMT -5
I just read that since this virus thing gun sales are way up here in Carolina..Maybe folks are afraid that someone will try to steal their toilet paper.
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Post by bonanzadriver on Mar 19, 2020 23:07:53 GMT -5
Was talkin to a dear friend this evening from OK. He was tellin me that the mayor of New Orleans was trying to ban the sale of all fire arms and ammo.
Blows my mind.
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 19, 2020 23:10:31 GMT -5
Gun sales are up all over the country, even California. People all of a sudden "What if I needed a gun and didn't have one?"
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Post by trailboss on Mar 19, 2020 23:12:19 GMT -5
I figured out long ago that an armed society is a polite society.
I have a Colt LE 6920 SOCOM with a Trijicon Acog on it alongside the Remington 12 gauge next to the bed.
The wife has an M1 carbine (30 round mag) with hollow points on tap.
If they come at night, we have trained... the stairwell is a lead funnel for them...all of them have lights and lasers to mark the spot.
Downstairs we have numerous options..
Not saying we are guaranteed to prevail, but options are better than none.
The people that buy in the midst of the crisis are better off than them that don’t, but they are still at a disadvantage by not training.
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Post by bonanzadriver on Mar 19, 2020 23:12:25 GMT -5
Gun sales are up all over the country, even California. People all of a sudden "What if I needed a gun and didn't have one?" Ha! I recently picked up another gun safe. I've been thinkin... "I need to fill this thing up!" |
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Post by bigwoolie on Mar 19, 2020 23:28:21 GMT -5
Having a gun without enough ammo is like having a pipe without tobacco. It looks good... but it aint worth much. I got guns, dont need more guns, but I have been fleshing out my ammo inventory lately. Not because I feel I'm gonna have to face hoards of corona-zombies, but because the shelves ARE gonna empty one day, and you cant always buy what you need on demand.
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Post by trailboss on Mar 19, 2020 23:55:47 GMT -5
It certainly hasn't always been the case, but a few years ago I was able to start an ammo cellar..all the metal cans are full, but the wooden crates behind them are filled with spam cans. (backbreaker crates)..I balked at paying .35 a round for 30.06...now I regret that I didn't buy by the pallet...by Arizona standards, I am lacking. I have about 5,000 empty cases that need filling if I ever have time to set the press up with reloading. Not bragging, more like a confession...(AAD...Ammo Acquisition Disorder) My son in law (tactically trained for TSU) and daughter are in transition, so they are here for a bit...I think we have the perimeter covered. Ammo, like tobacco will never be more available and cheaper than it is now.  |
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Post by trailboss on Mar 20, 2020 0:11:26 GMT -5
Having a gun without enough ammo is like having a pipe without tobacco. It looks good... but it aint worth much. I got guns, dont need more guns, but I have been fleshing out my ammo inventory lately. Not because I feel I'm gonna have to face hoards of corona-zombies, but because the shelves ARE gonna empty one day, and you cant always buy what you need on demand. Buy a box each paycheck...it will accrue faster than you can shoot if you keep free of gunfights.  |
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Post by toshtego on Mar 20, 2020 0:35:35 GMT -5
Seems like the Fear Virus is almost as catchy as the Coroana Virus.
This whole thing reminds me of the bomb shelter craze of the early 1960s when folks were convinced the Ruskies would attack any minute. My folks decided not to build one as they did not want to live in a post-nuclear world.
I have no expectation of hoards swarming out of Albuquerque after my TP or anything else. I have long since stopped greeting people at the door with a gun in my hand. That is not the way I want to live. If that costs me my life, so be it. I am old. My feelings have nothing to do with what others feel they must prepare for.
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Post by trailboss on Mar 20, 2020 0:52:39 GMT -5
Seems like the Fear Virus is almost as catchy as the Coroana Virus. This whole thing reminds me of the bomb shelter craze of the early 1960s when folks were convinced the Ruskies would attack any minute. My folks decided not to build one as they did not want to live in a post-nuclear world. I have no expectation of hoards swarming out of Albuquerque after my TP or anything else. I have long since stopped greeting people at the door with a gun in my hand. That is not the way I want to live. If that costs me my life, so be it. I am old. My feelings have nothing to do with what others feel they must prepare for. I hear you John. If we ever get to the point that we are in firefights with those that are our own countrymen over basic necessities , we are lost a a civilization. It is hard to comprehend that our country would find ourselves at this crossroads. I just made a determination that if it ever comes to the point that they have so little respect for my liberties, there will be a price to be paid. I have worked my arse off for my adult life and have taken responsibility for myself and family, but if they think that they can thuggishly take from me because for whatever reason they cannot prepare, then they need to face the same opposition that they would force upon me. We all have to make our own decisions, and I respect yours. |
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Post by toshtego on Mar 20, 2020 1:11:17 GMT -5
I mean no criticism of how others deal with this, provided they are not hogging all the supplies. Most everyone I know is armed and waiting. I just cannot do the gun at hand thing. I fear a mistake and someone dying needlessly. So, I put mine away.
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Post by bigwoolie on Mar 20, 2020 10:01:06 GMT -5
I mean no criticism of how others deal with this, provided they are not hogging all the supplies. Most everyone I know is armed and waiting. I just cannot do the gun at hand thing. I fear a mistake and someone dying needlessly. So, I put mine away. Its ok, John. Im sure none of us took it as you being critical, your just not like that, and we know it. Its perfectly understandable that some cannot do handguns. Its a very complex issue, and everyone simply has do what is right for them on this thing. And the other side needs to support that. And I do  |
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Post by stone on Mar 20, 2020 10:23:39 GMT -5
I mean no criticism of how others deal with this, provided they are not hogging all the supplies. Most everyone I know is armed and waiting. I just cannot do the gun at hand thing. I fear a mistake and someone dying needlessly. So, I put mine away. We all have to do what we believe is best for us. If it helps in any way, let me share this in case you don't already know it. A small, powerful, double action revolver is a simple, safe, and effective home defense weapon for several reasons.
1. A revolver has no switches, buttons, levers, latches, or anything to confuse you in a panic moment. 2. A revolver is so simple it minimizes the potential of accidental discharge....not likely to go off if you drop it.
3. The double action means you can pull the hammer back, and then pull the trigger, or just pull the trigger and in an adrenaline rush the heavy hammer pull won't mean a thing. 4. Just point and shoot. 5. And in this case, the movies are correct, the sound of a hammer being pulled back is a frightening sound if you are at the wrong end of the gun! Maybe enough to chase the bad guy away?
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 20, 2020 10:32:03 GMT -5
I just buy ammunition when I think about it. Always have. Not expecting any trouble. I only have 350 rounds of 450 Bushmaster, 300 45/70, 80 30-30,400 9mm,200 38spl,150 45acp,200 7.62x25,2500 22lr,100 22 mag, 500 300aac, 900 5.56,700.7.62x39,150 44spl,100 44 mag, 100 32acp,200 380, 2 pounds of black powder and caps and 500. 510 lead balls.
Just a decent supply for me, but I would probably get special attention on the evening news in something happened. Oh yeah, I forgot about the 400 round of 223 Remington.
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Post by stone on Mar 20, 2020 10:47:44 GMT -5
I just buy ammunition when I think about it. Always have. Not expecting any trouble. I only have 350 rounds of 450 Bushmaster, 300 45/70, 80 30-30,400 9mm,200 38spl,150 45acp,200 7.62x25,2500 22lr,100 22 mag, 500 300aac, 900 5.56,700.7.62x39,150 44spl,100 44 mag, 100 32acp,200 380, 2 pounds of black powder and caps and 500. 510 lead balls. Just a decent supply for me, but I would probably get special attention on the evening news in something happened. Oh yeah, I forgot about the 400 round of 223 Remington. Careful my friend, there are some who would see that as the next Ruby Ridge |
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 20, 2020 10:51:53 GMT -5
It's just the bare minimum. If we find a house with acreage it will be gone in 2 weeks.
If you think I am overstocked with ammo you would be truly shocked by the number of pipes I have.
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Post by stone on Mar 20, 2020 11:02:54 GMT -5
It's just the bare minimum. If we find a house with acreage it will be gone in 2 weeks. If you think I am overstocked with ammo you would be truly shocked by the number of pipes I have. I'm not shocked, I have much more. But some would ask "why do you need so many guns?" to which I usually respond "why do you need so many shoes, dresses, cars, hats,etc?"
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Post by puffy on Mar 20, 2020 11:05:59 GMT -5
This post was an attempt to put a bit of humor into the conversation..In the sixties I went through the riots in Detroit..I know how bad things can get,and how fast they can get that way,..I have guns. I've been taught to use them..If it comes to it I will use them.I pray that I never have to.
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Post by toshtego on Mar 20, 2020 11:43:30 GMT -5
I mean no criticism of how others deal with this, provided they are not hogging all the supplies. Most everyone I know is armed and waiting. I just cannot do the gun at hand thing. I fear a mistake and someone dying needlessly. So, I put mine away. We all have to do what we believe is best for us. If it helps in any way, let me share this in case you don't already know it. A small, powerful, double action revolver is a simple, safe, and effective home defense weapon for several reasons. 1. A revolver has no switches, buttons, levers, latches, or anything to confuse you in a panic moment. 2. A revolver is so simple it minimizes the potential of accidental discharge....not likely to go off if you drop it.
3. The double action means you can pull the hammer back, and then pull the trigger, or just pull the trigger and in an adrenaline rush the heavy hammer pull won't mean a thing. 4. Just point and shoot. 5. And in this case, the movies are correct, the sound of a hammer being pulled back is a frightening sound if you are at the wrong end of the gun! Maybe enough to chase the bad guy away?
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 20, 2020 11:59:55 GMT -5
I know how to use them, but I don't want to shoot anything but paper and tin cans. If it comes to shooting at humans we are all in deep Shite.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Mar 20, 2020 12:34:16 GMT -5
Have to agree with you...we have ours, enough to keep an intruder at bay or gone...whichever, it will be their choice.
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Post by sperrytops on Mar 20, 2020 12:45:22 GMT -5
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Post by fadingdaylight on Mar 20, 2020 12:47:41 GMT -5
There are 2 9mm handguns within reach of the bed, and a .22 rifle in the closet for the kids to shoot when we go to the range. I don't have any excess ammo, and I keep Critical Defense rounds in the pistols. Hope I never have to use them, but after 12 years on active duty, I feel a little naked without something close by.
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Post by bonanzadriver on Mar 20, 2020 13:08:16 GMT -5
I just buy ammunition when I think about it. Always have. Not expecting any trouble. I only have 350 rounds of 450 Bushmaster, 300 45/70, 80 30-30,400 9mm,200 38spl,150 45acp,200 7.62x25,2500 22lr,100 22 mag, 500 300aac, 900 5.56,700.7.62x39,150 44spl,100 44 mag, 100 32acp,200 380, 2 pounds of black powder and caps and 500. 510 lead balls. Just a decent supply for me, but I would probably get special attention on the evening news in something happened. Oh yeah, I forgot about the 400 round of 223 Remington. To quote Les (Lestrout), when folks talk about their tobacco cellars, pipe stables, fly rods n reels, etc.... "That's a good start!" Ron.... ;-) |
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Post by stone on Mar 20, 2020 13:12:09 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be fun to spend an afternoon with the nimrods who wrote those Just proves that education doesn't equal common sense. |
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Post by puffy on Mar 20, 2020 13:21:29 GMT -5
Ben Franklin said..There's no such thing as Common Sense because the common person doesn't have any sense.
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 20, 2020 13:23:40 GMT -5
I just buy ammunition when I think about it. Always have. Not expecting any trouble. I only have 350 rounds of 450 Bushmaster, 300 45/70, 80 30-30,400 9mm,200 38spl,150 45acp,200 7.62x25,2500 22lr,100 22 mag, 500 300aac, 900 5.56,700.7.62x39,150 44spl,100 44 mag, 100 32acp,200 380, 2 pounds of black powder and caps and 500. 510 lead balls. Just a decent supply for me, but I would probably get special attention on the evening news in something happened. Oh yeah, I forgot about the 400 round of 223 Remington. To quote Les (Lestrout), when folks talk about their tobacco cellars, pipe stables, fly rods n reels, etc.... "That's a good start!" Ron.... ;-) Hey, I'm 69. I don't expect to supply a war. My family and friends that I know personally, as well as my closest neighbors have well over a thousand guns combined. The only 2 people I personally know who were murdered were 2 women. One was our choir director who was strangled to death while jogging. The other was murdered by her husband, the second wife he murdered as it turns out. She was probably strangled, but her body was never found. I have been around guns all my life. The only 2 people I know that have been shot were shot at random by gangs. The previous mentioned study is so deeply flawed that I wouldn't have any idea where to start disputing it. I can just say that I know to my satisfaction that it's BS. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 14:20:46 GMT -5
I mean no criticism of how others deal with this, provided they are not hogging all the supplies. Most everyone I know is armed and waiting. I just cannot do the gun at hand thing. I fear a mistake and someone dying needlessly. So, I put mine away. We all have to do what we believe is best for us. If it helps in any way, let me share this in case you don't already know it. A small, powerful, double action revolver is a simple, safe, and effective home defense weapon for several reasons.
1. A revolver has no switches, buttons, levers, latches, or anything to confuse you in a panic moment. 2. A revolver is so simple it minimizes the potential of accidental discharge....not likely to go off if you drop it.
3. The double action means you can pull the hammer back, and then pull the trigger, or just pull the trigger and in an adrenaline rush the heavy hammer pull won't mean a thing. 4. Just point and shoot. 5. And in this case, the movies are correct, the sound of a hammer being pulled back is a frightening sound if you are at the wrong end of the gun! Maybe enough to chase the bad guy away?
1. Many modern pistols also are as simple as a revolver, having just the trigger safety. Glock, S&W M&P, Walther PPQ, H&K VP9, etc 2. Every modern semi auto pistol is designed to be drop safe and are tested to be so. They should not go off when dropped and I don't worry about dropping anything I own and shoot. 3. A DA/SA pistol also has this option. Heavy DA pull or you can pull the hammer back. 4. I can do that with a pistol that has a round chambered. Why would I carry one with any empty chamber? 5. I have looked for and never seen a study on this issue. I have been reading gun magazines for 45 years and have yet to see any studies on whether or not that is actually a deterrent in an armed confrontation. I agree that it would not be good to hear or see this from the wrong end.
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Post by stone on Mar 20, 2020 14:35:35 GMT -5
We all have to do what we believe is best for us. If it helps in any way, let me share this in case you don't already know it. A small, powerful, double action revolver is a simple, safe, and effective home defense weapon for several reasons.
1. A revolver has no switches, buttons, levers, latches, or anything to confuse you in a panic moment. 2. A revolver is so simple it minimizes the potential of accidental discharge....not likely to go off if you drop it.
3. The double action means you can pull the hammer back, and then pull the trigger, or just pull the trigger and in an adrenaline rush the heavy hammer pull won't mean a thing. 4. Just point and shoot. 5. And in this case, the movies are correct, the sound of a hammer being pulled back is a frightening sound if you are at the wrong end of the gun! Maybe enough to chase the bad guy away?
1. Many modern pistols also are as simple as a revolver, having just the trigger safety. Glock, S&W M&P, Walther PPQ, H&K VP9, etc 2. Every modern semi auto pistol is designed to be drop safe and are tested to be so. They should not go off when dropped and I don't worry about dropping anything I own and shoot. 3. A DA/SA pistol also has this option. Heavy DA pull or you can pull the hammer back. 4. I can do that with a pistol that has a round chambered. Why would I carry one with any empty chamber? 5. I have looked for and never seen a study on this issue. I have been reading gun magazines for 45 years and have yet to see any studies on whether or not that is actually a deterrent in an armed confrontation. I agree that it would not be good to hear or see this from the wrong end.
Oh trust me there are many "pistols" out there that can do the things a double action revolver can do but if you don't know which ones they are it can be a daunting process to find them and they can often be more expensive than a good old fashioned snub-nose 38 And even if a pistol like a Glock is as simple to shoot, it can be intimidating if you don't know which button releases the clip and which one is the slide release, etc. There are two version of a revolver in essence, single action, and double action. There are countless version and option, and variations of a pistol. And again, its not about whether a few of the thousands of pistols out there can be as simple as a revolver, it's a a matter of "if you have, or can get, a revolver, you have the perfect home defense weapon" |
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Post by puffy on Mar 20, 2020 14:46:07 GMT -5
The fella who taught me to shoot hand guns told me some things to never forget..It doesn't matter what gun you're shooting if you don't hit what you're shooting at..You don't want to get the first shot..You want to get the only shot..Getting in a panic can get you dead..If the time ever comes I hope I can remember those things.
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