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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 16:17:10 GMT -5
Hell, if one member can have a Reagan avatar, another can have a Che avatar. I think it's odd for guys who grew up in the rebellious 60s to totally dismiss rap. There's a lot of creativity and social/political commentary that tends to get less attention than some of the more TV-friendly stuff out there. Sex and violence (and combinations of the two) seem to be acceptable to the mainstream, but most people don't hear the kind of hip hop that has the righteous anger and civil rights statements that were being made in the 60s, or in the 70s and 80s with punk. Dr. MLK never slapped his bitches and bragged about shooting his homeboys with the foulest language possible. I knew the Ghetto Boys and they were just as bad as the mafia. Neither do all rappers. Just saying, it's a diverse musical style and you can't tar it all with the same brush (musically, maybe - but lyrically it's just not all about "bitches and ho's". Like in the reggae world - some are singing about one love, one world etc., others are singing about killing gays. |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Feb 11, 2019 16:20:21 GMT -5
Hell, if one member can have a Reagan avatar, another can have a Che avatar. I think it's odd for guys who grew up in the rebellious 60s to totally dismiss rap. There's a lot of creativity and social/political commentary that tends to get less attention than some of the more TV-friendly stuff out there. Sex and violence (and combinations of the two) seem to be acceptable to the mainstream, but most people don't hear the kind of hip hop that has the righteous anger and civil rights statements that were being made in the 60s, or in the 70s and 80s with punk. I respect your opinion, but it's crap, buddy.  I get where you're coming from, but I just don't like rap. It isn't for lack of trying either. I grew up in the 90s and have had to sit on many a couch listening to countless 'thugs' try to convert me. haha I like some of the old stuff. It had a certain charm, but it's just so boring anymore.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 11, 2019 16:21:08 GMT -5
...and... get OFF my lawn! Your landlord said that I could squat there. 😎😁🤠 |
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Post by Dramatwist on Feb 11, 2019 16:22:07 GMT -5
Dr. MLK never slapped his bitches and bragged about shooting his homeboys with the foulest language possible. I knew the Ghetto Boys and they were just as bad as the mafia. Neither do all rappers. Just saying, it's a diverse musical style and you can't tar it all with the same brush (musically, maybe - but lyrically it's just not all about "bitches and ho's". Like in the reggae world - some are singing about one love, one world etc., others are singing about killing gays. The only problem I have with Rap is the guys with all the windows down, blasting it out with a 1,000-watt amp as they drive down the boulevard. If you like it, more power to you... but don't force me to listen to it... or Ron and I will come after you with our big irons. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 16:25:31 GMT -5
I respect your opinion, but it's crap, buddy. I get where you're coming from, but I just don't like rap. It isn't for lack of trying either. I grew up in the 90s and have had to sit on many a couch listening to countless 'thugs' try to convert me. haha I like some of the old stuff. It had a certain charm, but it's just so boring anymore.
The subject may be righteous, but the painting is terrible, ya dig? Musically, I actually agree. I don't listen to a lot of rap. Meaning almost never. It's just that I think it's valid as a cultural phenomenon - and so does much of the world. I've heard Israeli hip hop and Palestinian hip hop, and it's become a staple in Bollywood movies. Pretty much every country I can think of has its own hip hop now. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 11, 2019 16:27:47 GMT -5
Dr. MLK never slapped his bitches and bragged about shooting his homeboys with the foulest language possible. I knew the Ghetto Boys and they were just as bad as the mafia. Neither do all rappers. Just saying, it's a diverse musical style and you can't tar it all with the same brush (musically, maybe - but lyrically it's just not all about "bitches and ho's". Like in the reggae world - some are singing about one love, one world etc., others are singing about killing gays. I liked New Jack City and I think 'T possesses a great talent. But most of his work has not been something positive for western civilization. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 16:28:11 GMT -5
Hell, if one member can have a Reagan avatar, another can have a Che avatar. Good point. I see where you're going here, Chico. You can have a Reagan avatar ... but only if he's riding a horse.  |
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Post by stogiebear on Feb 11, 2019 16:28:23 GMT -5
Pop culture has been in a state of persistent decline for over thirty years... Don't expect it to improve any time soon. People have been making this complaint for at least as long as recorded history.
I assume they have been complaining longer than that, but they didn't write it down!
Hell, Augustus passes laws criminalizing adultury and marriage between patricians and children of actors and musicians, and penalized adults who did not have legitimate children. (Ironically this was after he came to power because Caesar did not have legitimate children. Hypocrisy is traditional.) Later Roman governments institutionalized political correctness by first banning, and then requiring, Christianity, setting up many future wars for the “everybody in this country must have the same religion” cause (which was not a new concept even in Romulus’ time). History is just one big playlist on repeat. |
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Post by blackmouth210 on Feb 11, 2019 16:32:23 GMT -5
Neither do all rappers. Just saying, it's a diverse musical style and you can't tar it all with the same brush (musically, maybe - but lyrically it's just not all about "bitches and ho's". Like in the reggae world - some are singing about one love, one world etc., others are singing about killing gays. The only problem I have with Rap is the guys with all the windows down, blasting it out with a 1,000-watt amp as they drive down the boulevard. If you like it, more power to you... but don't force me to listen to it... or Ron and I will come after you with our big irons. I remember when my grandparents used to say, "If you like that crap, more power to you...but don't force the whole neighborhood to listen to it". Only then they were talking about the kids blasting Rush's "Tom Sawyer" or something along those lines, not rap music. |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Feb 11, 2019 16:33:26 GMT -5
I get where you're coming from, but I just don't like rap. It isn't for lack of trying either. I grew up in the 90s and have had to sit on many a couch listening to countless 'thugs' try to convert me. haha I like some of the old stuff. It had a certain charm, but it's just so boring anymore.
The subject may be righteous, but the painting is terrible, ya dig? Musically, I actually agree. I don't listen to a lot of rap. Meaning almost never. It's just that I think it's valid as a cultural phenomenon - and so does much of the world. I've heard Israeli hip hop and Palestinian hip hop, and it's become a staple in Bollywood movies. Pretty much every country I can think of has its own hip hop now. Well... It made a bunch of people rich and its a renewable resource, so it will be exploited for a long long time. haha
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Post by stogiebear on Feb 11, 2019 16:35:09 GMT -5
Dr. MLK never slapped his bitches and bragged about shooting his homeboys with the foulest language possible. I knew the Ghetto Boys and they were just as bad as the mafia. Neither do all rappers. Just saying, it's a diverse musical style and you can't tar it all with the same brush (musically, maybe - but lyrically it's just not all about "bitches and ho's". Like in the reggae world - some are singing about one love, one world etc., others are singing about killing gays. This is slightly dated but still one of my favorite hip hop songs, and 100% positive message: |
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Post by Dramatwist on Feb 11, 2019 16:35:21 GMT -5
The only problem I have with Rap is the guys with all the windows down, blasting it out with a 1,000-watt amp as they drive down the boulevard. If you like it, more power to you... but don't force me to listen to it... or Ron and I will come after you with our big irons. I remember when my grandparents used to say, "If you like that crap, more power to you...but don't force the whole neighborhood to listen to it". Only then they were talking about the kids blasting Rush's "Tom Sawyer" or something along those lines, not rap music. I dutifully acknowledge that every generation has their own music... but it doesn't mean that I have to listen to it. |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Feb 11, 2019 16:36:08 GMT -5
The only problem I have with Rap is the guys with all the windows down, blasting it out with a 1,000-watt amp as they drive down the boulevard. If you like it, more power to you... but don't force me to listen to it... or Ron and I will come after you with our big irons. I remember when my grandparents used to say, "If you like that crap, more power to you...but don't force the whole neighborhood to listen to it". Only then they were talking about the kids blasting Rush's "Tom Sawyer" or something along those lines, not rap music.
There are older African American gentlemen saying the same thing about Punk Rock and Metal back in the North Side where I lived during my college years. hahahaha
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Post by Dramatwist on Feb 11, 2019 16:45:05 GMT -5
...and while we're on the subject... I like LOTS of music that is not of the '50s/'60s generation, going way the heck back before the turn of the 20th Century. But Rap? Sorry kids, that ain't music.
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Post by clintonvilleleather on Feb 11, 2019 16:45:42 GMT -5
The Grammy's was on last night? Bummer, I missed it again.  that is like the 44th time I have missed it, lol |
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Post by Dramatwist on Feb 11, 2019 16:48:45 GMT -5
The Grammy's was on last night? Bummer, I missed it again. that is like the 44th time I have missed it, lol ...it's like how I go to the gym... I haven't been in, like... never... |
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Post by sperrytops on Feb 11, 2019 16:52:07 GMT -5
that is like the 44th time I have missed it, lol ...it's like how I go to the gym... I haven't been in, like... never... What's grammies? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 16:54:46 GMT -5
I gonna get some popcorn. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 11, 2019 17:05:50 GMT -5
I have music in my collection that was written a thousand years ago. I like big band, Broadway, bluegrass, Irish and pretty much all the good music of previous generations. With the exception of Spike Jones. I at least get grunge and punk and even like some of it. But rap is meant to be divisive, in your face and to be as offensive as possible to as many people as possible. No, just no.
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Post by blackmouth210 on Feb 11, 2019 17:07:05 GMT -5
I remember when my grandparents used to say, "If you like that crap, more power to you...but don't force the whole neighborhood to listen to it". Only then they were talking about the kids blasting Rush's "Tom Sawyer" or something along those lines, not rap music. I dutifully acknowledge that every generation has their own music... but it doesn't mean that I have to listen to it. The words on your post that I quoted just took me back to my childhood. I read your post and heard my grandmother and grandfather. They both used almost the exact phrase you did. My post was a reminiscence not a commentary or rebuttal to anybody yours or anyone else's post. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Feb 11, 2019 17:11:01 GMT -5
...except for "Rap"... it f***ing sucks, big-time. I couldn't possibly like this post more. 👍👍👍👍😎🤠 Lol. Me neither. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 17:11:08 GMT -5
Hell, if one member can have a Reagan avatar, another can have a Che avatar. Good point. I see where you're going here, Chico. You can have a Reagan avatar ... but only if he's riding a horse. |
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Post by stogiebear on Feb 11, 2019 17:14:19 GMT -5
...and while we're on the subject... I like LOTS of music that is not of the '50s/'60s generation, going way the heck back before the turn of the 20th Century. But Rap? Sorry kids, that ain't music. Rap is like any other element in a composition, it’s not much on its own but part of a whole that is the music. I mean, drums are atonal but undeniably an element of composition, right? I think Jay-Z is the master of this: But I don’t think it would be controversial to say that e.g. the Bomb Squad is at least as important as Public Enemy themselves. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 17:15:22 GMT -5
I have music in my collection that was written a thousand years ago. I like big band, Broadway, bluegrass, Irish and pretty much all the good music of previous generations. With the exception of Spike Jones. I at least get grunge and punk and even like some of it. But rap is meant to be divisive, in your face and to be as offensive as possible to as many people as possible. No, just no. That was punk, which was actually way less diverse than rap. |
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Post by sperrytops on Feb 11, 2019 17:23:54 GMT -5
I don't inherently have a problem with rap as a music form. I take issue with so much of the violent lyrics and as a result have rejected most of it categorically. Maybe that's wrong, but that's me. That's not to say that other music forms haven't touched on violence, Johnny Cash sang 'I killed a man in Reno just to watch him die.' but almost all his other music is a ballad or about love. I do have friends and family that listen to some of the better (my description) rap that doesn't deal with violence and sexual exploitation. Perhaps my generalization of the form is wrong.
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 11, 2019 17:23:58 GMT -5
I have music in my collection that was written a thousand years ago. I like big band, Broadway, bluegrass, Irish and pretty much all the good music of previous generations. With the exception of Spike Jones. I at least get grunge and punk and even like some of it. But rap is meant to be divisive, in your face and to be as offensive as possible to as many people as possible. No, just no. That was punk, which was actually way less diverse than rap. Do you ever feel like Juan Williams? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 17:44:10 GMT -5
Back on topic, my Week Old Farts are pretty memorable
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Post by McWiggins on Feb 11, 2019 17:57:57 GMT -5
Im gonna let the cat out of the bag here.
Like The Highlander, I too am one of the immortals. My age? I'm wicked old. Like, I knew Jesus as a kid kind of old. With that said, music just hasnt been good to me since 72AD.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 17:58:21 GMT -5
That was punk, which was actually way less diverse than rap. Do you ever feel like Juan Williams? Since I had to google him, I'd say um, no...? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 18:02:44 GMT -5
Im gonna let the cat out of the bag here. Like The Highlander, I too am one of the immortals. My age? I'm wicked old. Like, I knew Jesus as a kid kind of old. With that said, music just hasnt been good to me since 72AD. I am Music and I write the songs! |
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